Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Granyala]

I had a ton of situations where my team were casualy joking in chat, especially in 24 man raids.
You could get kicked in wow for typing anything, its madness and its BAD.

You will just have to deal with it if you don't like people performing badly

I've never understood why people type all kinds of crap into the chat during the fight. Where do they find the time? I'm so busy fighting the boss I can't type crap or people die (overly long transition animations excluded). Between the fights? Sure. But not during the encounter.

I don't have to deal with it actually. I'd just kick them and be done with it. After all we're in there to kill stuff, not to make a social call.
Won't apply to me though because I don't run Ex or savage without my raid group and the other content is too braindead by design for it to matter.

[HWalsh]

Uuh apart from role play (which I happen to like but is super rare to actually encounter) and maybe crafting/market what else is there left to form a community about?
Questing? Freeloot dungeons (deliberately neutered so "speshil snowflakes" can clear them too)?

No, the majority of the time spent is in endgame and the majority of community interactions revolve around how to defeat tough bosses.
You don't need a "community" in order to tackle FFs 24man raids. Randomly thrown together groups clearing them with ease proves that.

Community is about community.

Yes, roleplaying is a key element to an MMORPG, but community doesn't need to be about dur hur "Optimization" and "Raiding."

Back in the day we had events, we had almost an extended family

One event that we used to do in DAOC was the Market Day, when crafters would gather and, for free, churn out gear and items. No "give me 2,000,000 gil."

We could organize that here, gatherers could gather a bunch of mats, crafters could craft en masse, we could get to know each other.

We could organize a mass fate clear across the server to help especially low level characters who, more often than not, have to tack these things alone.

We could encourage open world roleplay by (gasp) roleplaying.

Heck, we could even organize events to promote charities or social awareness.

There are TONS of things a community can do other than raid and optimize.

[Granyala]

Community is about community.
Yes, roleplaying is a key element to an MMORPG, but community doesn't need to be about dur hur "Optimization" and "Raiding."
Back in the day we had events, we had almost an extended family
One event that we used to do in DAOC was the Market Day, when crafters would gather and, for free, churn out gear and items. No "give me 2,000,000 gil."
We could organize that here, gatherers could gather a bunch of mats, crafters could craft en masse, we could get to know each other.
We could organize a mass fate clear across the server to help especially low level characters who, more often than not, have to tack these things alone.
We could encourage open world roleplay by (gasp) roleplaying.
Heck, we could even organize events to promote charities or social awareness.
There are TONS of things a community can do other than raid and optimize.

I think in order for sth like that to form, the game must force the players in some way.
RPGs of eld were often quite solo unfriendly. Sure, you could start out alone but quickly ended up at a point where you needed other players. Also there were no automated buttons that grouped you up and tossed you into the content. You actually had to talk to people to make it happen. I remember spending HOURS in search for a tank in order to do a low level dungeon back in TBC WoW. If you misbehaved and had a rep, no one would invite you etc.
Part of that was cool (server community, you knew people). another part of that was super annoying (no quick "I'm in a mood for a dungeon run").

Parsers are not the limiting factor here. The game being designed as a solo activity up until you reach the big raids is.
Why bother talking to anyone if you can do everything solo? Endgame optimization and strategy is basically the only thing left where you sort of need the input of others in order to succeed and that's why you see communities for that aspect.

[DumdogsWorld]

I know "get a PC". I can't afford one. Yes, I I'm a loser that sucks at life and need to get a job.. this is not an option for me at the moment as I'm a gimp (gimps have a lot of time for mmorpgs)

Rather than going into a lengthy and pointless debate about whether or not it's okay to parse, there is something else I would really like to say.

Obtaining a gaming PC is an art in itself, and the stereotype of them being insanely expensive isn't necessarily true if you don't want it to be.

A current gen console goes for, at most, $300, give or take. Now, buying a gaming computer that is already built (like from a store or something) is just asking to pay a boatload of money. The ones from retail stores are the worst offenders, but small-time shops also sell overpriced goods. Most of the time, the reason it's so expensive is because there's all sorts of stuff you don't need.

At its core, a PC is ram, a cpu, a gpu, a motherboard, a psu, a tower, a storage drive, and an operating system. Towers are just hunks of metal, so you can use them from pretty much anywhere as long as the components fit. There are ways to get Windows 10 for free without piracy, and unlike previous versions of windows, it isn't as strict about not being activated. You can continue to use it even when it's not activated, but there will be a watermark on the screen.

Considering all that, my current PC (the one I'm typing on right now) cost me about $350 to build, and I can run any game I throw at it.

[Eli85]

Rather than going into a lengthy and pointless debate about whether or not it's okay to parse, there is something else I would really like to say.

Obtaining a gaming PC is an art in itself, and the stereotype of them being insanely expensive isn't necessarily true if you don't want it to be.

A current gen console goes for, at most, $300, give or take. Now, buying a gaming computer that is already built (like from a store or something) is just asking to pay a boatload of money. The ones from retail stores are the worst offenders, but small-time shops also sell overpriced goods. Most of the time, the reason it's so expensive is because there's all sorts of stuff you don't need.

At its core, a PC is ram, a cpu, a gpu, a motherboard, a psu, a tower, a storage drive, and an operating system. Towers are just hunks of metal, so you can use them from pretty much anywhere as long as the components fit. There are ways to get Windows 10 for free without piracy, and unlike previous versions of windows, it isn't as strict about not being activated. You can continue to use it even when it's not activated, but there will be a watermark on the screen.

Considering all that, my current PC (the one I'm typing on right now) cost me about $350 to build, and I can run any game I throw at it.

$350 (USD) for a PC that can play "any game you throw at it?" No one is going to buy that for a second. If you Google PC Gaming 2019 best budget card, you are probably going to find the Radeon RX 570 card, which is going to run you anywhere from $150 to $200. Similarly, budget CPUs are going to run in the same price range. So, at best, you're already at $300 for the GPU and CPU, leaving $50 for Motherboard, RAM, PSU, HDD, tower, OS, and peripherals? Please. And this is BUDGET. Which, even if it runs any "game you throw at it," will run most of it not very well.


Now a console? PS4 Slim will cost you $299 and it has everything you need to run it (including the only mandatory peripheral). It's not even close.


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To the larger topic at hand, S-E really needs to address the parser on PC but not PS4. It's disturbing that they are OK with giving PC players more tools than PS4 players. Either both get parsers or neither does.

[DumdogsWorld]

Snip!

So you think I'm lying because you can't do it with parts from a Google search? I can show you the receipts. Sure, my PC is not some extraordinary Nasa-grade machine, but whenever a new AAA game is released on Steam, I can run it at 60 FPS no problems. Sometimes I have to do some tweaking, yes. Some games speed up by a lot when I disable antialiasing, for example. But my experience is, at minimum, on-par with any current gen console, and I get all the freedom of a PC to boot.

Well, whatever. I was just trying to help.

[Eli85]

So you think I'm lying because you can't do it with parts from a Google search? I can show you the receipts. Sure, my PC is not some extraordinary Nasa-grade machine, but whenever a new AAA game is released on Steam, I can run it at 60 FPS no problems. Sometimes I have to do some tweaking, yes. Some games speed up by a lot when I disable antialiasing, for example. But my experience is, at minimum, on-par with any current gen console, and I get all the freedom of a PC to boot.

Well, whatever. I was just trying to help.

You may not be lying about what you paid at the time of your purchase, but in 2019—which any prospective PC gamer would be building in—budget components absolutely eviscerate your budget. So, to go around and say, "Hey, you can build a great PC for $350 USD," is incredibly irresponsible of you. The fact is, you cannot build a budget PC that will run AAA games at 60 FPS, in 2019, at a $350 budget.

[DumdogsWorld]

You may not be lying about what you paid at the time of your purchase, but in 2019—which any prospective PC gamer would be building in—budget components absolutely eviscerate your budget. So, to go around and say, "Hey, you can build a great PC for $350 USD," is incredibly irresponsible of you. The fact is, you cannot build a budget PC that will run AAA games at 60 FPS, in 2019, at a $350 budget.

I built this PC roughly a year and a half ago. I dunno, maybe the prices have gone up a bit. But still, it's about building a PC intelligently, which means shopping for the parts intelligently. Why spend $150 on a GPU when you can look harder and get a 1070 GTX for $100? Yeah, it's pretty obvious that you're going to pay through the nose if you go to the "usual places" for parts. But one of the things that makes parts so great is that you can get them from anywhere.

[Eli85]

I built this PC roughly a year and a half ago. I dunno, maybe the prices have gone up a bit. But still, it's about building a PC intelligently, which means shopping for the parts intelligently. Why spend $150 on a GPU when you can look harder and get a 1070 GTX for $100? Yeah, it's pretty obvious that you're going to pay through the nose if you go to the "usual places" for parts. But one of the things that makes parts so great is that you can get them from anywhere.

Do you really think you can get a GTX 1070 for $100? This is the issue, right here. The MSRP for a GTX 1070 is $379 USD. That $100 USD won't even cover the manufacturing cost. No one is going to sell you a $379 card for $100.


edit: Even if you can get a GTX 1070 for a quarter of the MSRP, you're still going ridiculously over budget.

[DumdogsWorld]

Do you really think you can get a GTX 1070 for $100?

glances at desktop computer right next to me

Yes.

Anyway, you don't need to believe me. I said what I had to say, and I've learned my lesson from dealing with this forum - prolonged exchanges don't end well here.

Have a nice day.