Anyone been to GM jail?

[Sub-Xero]

Everyone in FFXIV is much nicer since you mostly need to teamup for almost everything lol. That's why its very rare for someone to be so toxic. If you ever find yourself in GM jail, you probably did something really bad lol.

Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "much nicer" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat outside of their FC/Linkshell(s) in-game because they're worried about upsetting/offending someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they were or weren't doing something. I like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

[Ayuhra]

Not saying everyone is bad, but there is quite alot who are. I used to play WoW myself back in the day when it was still a good game lol

Blizzard games in general attract alot of toxicity, Overwatch is a prime example.

I think it's more that Blizzard games attract a lot of PEOPLE. They also have more competitive aspects to their design and that can breed hostility at times.

But the toxicity that people constantly claim WoW has is a bit exaggerated. Even over there, the worst offenders are quickly shot down.

I doubt WoW immigration will cause a toxicity spike. That sort of thing will happen more due to this game aging and the playerbase losing its patience.

Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "so nice" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat outside of their FC/Linkshell(s) in-game because they're worried about upsetting/offending someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they were or weren't doing something. I like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

I disagree that we need more toxicity as if humiliation will make people better players (it won't). But I can agree that more transparency is probably warranted as well as a willingness to observe context (Is it toxicity, well intentioned criticism or someone trying and failing to be playful?). And, no, I've never been summoned by a GM.

[RareItems]

Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "so nice" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat in-game because they're worried about upsetting someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they we're or weren't doing something. The like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

The thing is, you can be toxic, but then you will be blacklisted by everyone. That means, no more map parties for you, you get disinvited to linkshells, get kicked by your FC. Remember back in 2014-2015 when Hunts were pretty active? We had a few trolls pre-pulling Hunt A/S ranks as soon as they get off their chocobo's. Not even giving everyone a 5 minute courtesy wait lol. Pretty sure everyone black listed them xD.

I also remember this one quest, where there was a line in Costa de Sol, ppl had to kill some Dodo's or something, but some Elitist Raiders on a known toxic Raiding FC was killing the targets so ppl can't complete the quest. Everyone mass reported them and finally a GM in Flaming armor showed up and nabbed those griefers xD.

[Windwalker]

I think it's more that Blizzard games attract a lot of PEOPLE. They also have more competitive aspects to their design and that can breed hostility at times.

But the toxicity that people constantly claim WoW has is a bit exaggerated. Even over there, the worst offenders are quickly shot down.

I doubt WoW immigration will cause a toxicity spike. That sort of thing will happen more due to this game aging and the playerbase losing its patience.

Could be yeah, though theres less moderation in WoW than FFXIV, so some may take it as a habbit to act the way they do, or in an elitist way. Popularity can indeed attract those people aswell, when you have millions of people to observe, some will get away with their behaviour. I noticed alot of toxic behaviour in end game raids and dungeons, with people using dps parsers, shaming those who don't do their prefered dps or people taking every dungeon as a speedrun, expecting people to be perfect in what they do.

Then again, PVP or competetive play in general breeds alot of toxic behaviour, the reason why so many are friendly in FFXIV is due to everyone teaming up together rather than splitting the playerbase in 2.

[Sub-Xero]

The thing is, you can be toxic, but then you will be blacklisted by everyone. That means, no more map parties for you, you get disinvited to linkshells, get kicked by your FC. Remember back in 2014-2015 when Hunts were pretty active? We had a few trolls pre-pulling Hunt A/S ranks as soon as they get off their chocobo's. Not even giving everyone a 5 minute courtesy wait lol. Pretty sure everyone black listed them xD.

I also remember this one quest, where there was a line in Costa de Sol, ppl had to kill some Dodo's or something, but some Elitist Raiders on a known toxic Raiding FC was killing the targets so ppl can't complete the quest. Everyone mass reported them and finally a GM in Flaming armor showed up and nabbed those griefers xD.

Being legitimately toxic in this game really doesn't have any long term consequence in-game. Everything is instanced, you can visit other servers, easily change your name, easily transfer to another server/datacenter etc. I'm not talking about people just straight up being mean a-holes for no reason though. Most of what you mentioned are things the majority of the community can openly admit are "bad" and "toxic."

[RareItems]

Being legitimately toxic in this game really doesn't have any long term consequence in-game. Everything is instanced, you can visit other servers, easily change your name, easily transfer to another server/datacenter etc. I'm not talking about people just straight up being mean a-holes for no reason though. Most of what you mentioned are things the majority of the community can openly admit are "bad" and "toxic."

Lol i disagree. Being toxic in this game openly will just hurt your gaming experience. If you want to be extremely toxic and not get punished for it, try Black Desert Online. The daily chat in that game makes even the most toxic Overwatch competitive video looks tame lol. That game literally thrives on toxicity as it makes the game feel competitive and eventually makes them buy overpriced "For convenience" items on their cashshop in an effort to gain an advantage.

[Windwalker]

Lol i disagree. Being toxic in this game openly will just hurt your gaming experience. If you want to be extremely toxic and not get punished for it, try Black Desert Online. The daily chat in that game makes even the most toxic Overwatch competitive video looks tame lol. That game literally thrives on toxicity as it makes player more competitive and eventually makes them buy overpriced "For convenience" items on their cashshop.

Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots, goldfarmers and stuff.

[KageTokage]

Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots of all kinds.

Yet some F2P games still manage to do a better job of enforcing bots then XIV does...somehow.

[Windwalker]

Yet some F2P games still manage to do a better job of enforcing bots then XIV does...somehow.

Hmm yeah, WoW had the same problem, even with a subscription cost there was a ton of bots and hackers plaguing the game. Making free trial is also something that allows them to infest the game without any worries. Just gotta report everything you see. I think they have a team too that watches and observes those botters to find the main source and shut it down. I play on a congested server myself, so i don't really see any bots or gilfarmers in chat since they can't make any new accounts, however allowing server visits may have opened a way for them to continue their operations without consequences.

[RareItems]

Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots, goldfarmers and stuff.

lol BDO is not free to play. FFXIV costs me 32 dollars a month. BDO costed me 400/month xD. They lure you in with that 5 dollar price tag on Steam. Just take a few minutes to watch this BDO content creator's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYEwIHPX2k

FYI: BDO made a billion dollar in profits on 2018. A Billion Dollars.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/p...ck-desert-mmo/