Lack of End Game Content

[Avraym]

....the difference in damage increase you would see is minuscule. There is no inherent advantage to having an Ultimate weapon over a Genji or Diamond weapon. Your entire premise is that raiders go for the best gear possible—yet now you’re contradicting yourself.







You are directly contradicting yourself now.


Far more participated in O4S than UCoB? Or O8S versus UwU. Of course. You have to clear O4S to even get into UCoB, and likewise with UwU. The same will be true of the coming Ultimates.

However, Ultimate was never designed with the intention to match or beat Savage participation numbers. It was designed for the hardcore, 1% of players that wanted a challenge because Savage has been progressively watered down since Midas. It is designed for the challenge. It isn’t designed to be on par with Savage—it is designed to be harder. Clearing it is more bragging rights than having a Savage BiS.



I haven’t proved anything other than you don’t seem to know what you’re arguing at this point. You claim raiders raid for the best gear in the game and stop when its irrelevant; that they want gear to show off their achievements. People point out that’s not the case with Ultimate—that players do it purely for the challenge and the rewards are basically vanity items and bragging rights to beat anything else in this game—and suddenly your argument is: “well, the reward wasn’t worth it because it’s the same as O4S/O8S”.

My contention is very clear. The reward matters.

We can both agree, the reward if measured by power, is essentially the same.

Ultimate was released months after Omega Savage, yet so much fewer participated and succeeded.

IT DID DETER players from doing it. This is is suggested by how few people even participated in it.

I believe, if the stats for ultimate, reflected just how much challenging it was than savage, you'd see more people pushing to complete it.