Square Enix, please think about both Casual AND Hardcore crafters..

[Nixxe]

Which is completely and utterly irrelevant because if peoples income goes down across the board, prices will go down accordingly. The economy works just as it always has albeit with slightly smaller numbers.
Since there is nothing in this game that costs millions of gil in the first place (barring buying a house and gil is the least of the players worry in that area) there literally is no point in amassing 100s of millions except bragging rights.
No one will come to harm with easier crafting, no one will end up in the poor house. You can stop the hyperbole in that regard.

That being said: I still hope for the master book patterns to be a bit more challenging to craft than spamming prudent till success. That gets a bit lame. Okay for leveling crap but not ok for endgame crafts.

Which is not completely and utterly irrelevant because as I've said repeatedly I've already seen this play out in WoW and it did not in fact keep up.

Amassing gil is fun. Again, stop trying to take away everyone else's fun. That's incredibly selfish of you.

There's no hyperbole on my part. I didn't say people would end up in the poor house; I said crafting would become worthless. Flipping is better money anyway. I craft because it still makes enough money to satisfy me and is more fun than flipping. You're the one going off on ridiculous tangents about addiction and Skinner boxes because some people had the audacity to enjoy the game differently than you.

[Granyala]

Amassing gil is fun. Again, stop trying to take away everyone else's fun. That's incredibly selfish of you.

Being able to craft and be self sufficient is fun.
Stop trying to take a way my fun by reintroducing dumb and boring grinds. That's very selfish of you.

It works both ways.

The OP said that "gil is irrelevant".

Well obviously not to the other gal, see above.

[Joven]

Well obviously not to the other gal, see above.

I'm only addressing the OP's points as they chase their tail with their own logic. Crafting exists as a way for players to be relatively self sufficient in terms of gear upgrades and as a means of making money. If making money isn't their concern then making crafting difficult for the sake of making it difficult is pointless even with exclusive awards because, as I said previously, the 'pro' crafters would just release their optimum rotations for those crafts so everyone interested would still get the prize.

Making crafting difficult serves only to limit how much of certain items are posted to the marketboard. They can do as many 'challenging' crafts they want, but what are they gonna do with it once it's done? The only options are to use it or sell it and I don't see the point of wasting mats or inventory space on a craft you aren't going to use or sell just for the 'challenge' of it.

[Nixxe]

Being able to craft and be self sufficient is fun.
Stop trying to take a way my fun by reintroducing dumb and boring grinds. That's very selfish of you.

It works both ways.

No, it really doesn't. There was only ever a modest barrier to being self-sufficient previously and the new abilities have little to nothing to do with how grindy it is. Please get a clue.

[Joven]

No, it really doesn't. There was only ever a modest barrier to being self-sufficient previously and the new abilities have little to nothing to do with how grindy it is. Please get a clue.

And OP calls me condescending, lol.

[Nixxe]

And OP calls me condescending, lol.

Pretending we're all equally informed and competent is a disservice to everyone.

[Joven]

Pretending we're all equally informed and competent is a disservice to everyone.

Assuming you know better than everyone else is also a disservice. That's why we have discussions, so you 'informed' people can enlighten the rest of us instead of dismissing everyone.

[Granyala]

the new abilities have little to nothing to do with how grindy it is.

I never stated otherwise, if you had actually bothered to read my posts and not be triggered by the first line or seeing my avatar, you would have read (multiple times by now) that I agree with you on the fact that the current crafting process is too uninvolved.

I'm merely arguing that more grind through harsher gear requirement is not a valid way to fix that because once you get your gear grinded you would, yet again, end up in a braindead macro-able and boring crafting system. It would merely take more time to get there and that [more time] would lead to the exclusivity you apparently seem to want.

BTW: I didn't ask SE to make crafting easier. I didn't ask SE to lessen the grind. Back in ARR I accepted that this aspect of the game was not my cup of tea.
But they did it anyway and now I am enjoying being self sufficent.
YOU want to take that away from me. YOU are the selfish one here. Not me. I merely take what SE offers me and tell them "I like this one better than the old one!".

[Nixxe]

I never stated otherwise, if you had actually bothered to read my posts and not be triggered by the first line or seeing my avatar, you would have read (multiple times by now) that I agree with you on the fact that the current crafting process is too uninvolved.

I'm merely arguing that more grind through harsher gear requirement is not a valid way to fix that because once you get your gear grinded you would, yet again, end up in a braindead macro-able and boring crafting system. It would merely take more time to get there and that [more time] would lead to the exclusivity you apparently seem to want.

BTW: I didn't ask SE to make crafting easier. I didn't ask SE to lessen the grind. Back in ARR I accepted that this aspect of the game was not my cup of tea.
But they did it anyway and now I am enjoying being self sufficent.
YOU want to take that away from me. YOU are the selfish one here. Not me. I merely take what SE offers me and tell them "I like this one better than the old one!".

Nobody's triggered. You just have bad ideas that will hurt the game and don't care because you're selfish.

[Joven]

Nobody's triggered. You just have bad ideas that will hurt the game and don't care because you're selfish.

How are their ideas going to "hurt the game"? As far as I can tell they're just saying crafting is, for the most part, fine the way it is and doesn't need to be changed.

You all knew coming into this game that it was intended to cater to as many people as possible, so they're going to make it as accessible as possible to as many people as possible because money.