Burnt out of the healer BS

[Misutoraru]

So instead of bringing up the class lagging behind to the standards of the other healers, it's better to balance by making the others worse? So AST doesnt need potency buffs, instead WHM/SCH should be nerfed until they're at AST's level, according to balance.

Glad to see your friend likes new SCH, but I've met people, of all skill levels, that cant stand scholar, look at all the threads on here, and must people have the same complaints. We're not even upset over effectiveness or about being nerfed, just what we HAVE to do. I dont know who wants to spam 1 button all day, but most people I know like to press several buttons.

When a healer survive a raid without casting a single GCD heal spell and when 5.0 are supposed to turn healer to more healing focus.
I guess a tune down of healing potency and longer CD on oGCD might be need to put back to the path

[Dynia]

all who post here on forums that leave game: we all know you will back soon ^^

and I hope they won't change healers, i love how they are now
once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

[Hatstand]

all who post here on forums that leave game: we all know you will back soon ^^

and I hope they won't change healers, i love how they are now
once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

Why should every healer in this game be forced to subscribe to your ideology? We play healers instead of dps because we'd rather be healers than dps. We just actually want our entire kit to be interesting to use.

Edit: do you even play SCH or AST? You're listed as 80 CNJ, 80 WHM, 26 THM. Somehow I doubt you're choosing to display that over your 50 SCH and AST. Why do you care how healers that you don't even use play? How can you cast judgement on jobs you don't even play?

[Taika]

once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

In the case of Scholar, which most of these DPS related complaints are about, they are DPSing just as much, if not more, than before (because now they have even more powerful healing tools and they are using all Aetherflow stacks on OCD heals allowing them to spend even more of their CGD on DPS). The main difference is, it's now much more boring to do, with less abilities to use. How anyone can see that as an improvement boggles my mind.

[EpicOverlord85]

all who post here on forums that leave game: we all know you will back soon ^^

and I hope they won't change healers, i love how they are now
once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

How does gimping our DPS options while buffing our healing options make us heal more? If anything it makes it easier and we now just have less to do in the downtime periods which are just as numerous.

[kidalutz]

all who post here on forums that leave game: we all know you will back soon ^^

and I hope they won't change healers, i love how they are now
once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

These healers are complaining because they've reached the skill level where they dont find themselves with the constant need to heal that often at all if they get a group and would like to do more than fling DoT hardcast Damage Button over and over and over pop OGCD Heal repeat ad nauseum I dont blame them on that but at the same form the outsider looking in perspective

(cause this is how it looks from A: New healers and B:Tanks looking over this.)

TANK POV:Hi I'm one of THOSE healers you get grouped with that are so focused on churning out damage that we completely ignore your health bar cause screw you if you die it's not my fault you need to either heal yourself or not get hit.(These healers are the reason you'll see PLDs that cast Clemency ALOT or other tanks that will Small Pull)

New Healer POV: Hi I'm that jackwagon you get stuck with in 8 man content that forces you to do all the work and keep everyone alive while I just fling damage stuff cause I don't need to do my job now that there's two of us.(Those Healers teach New Healers that it's fine to be a leech)

Bear in mind these ones in the forums arent the aforementioned two.

[Crushnight]

all who post here on forums that leave game: we all know you will back soon ^^

and I hope they won't change healers, i love how they are now
once again healers meant to heal not to dps, don't like healer dps kit ? change to dps class, simple

So what do you say to Ast who are putting it down due to their card system and weak healing?

Believe it or not most ast complaints are its card system and weak healing on its long cds(CU is a very big offender), ast identity has been weakened, its buffs are now so weak a whm trumps them without any utility, ast healing cannot even compare to sch, right now groups can very easily go whats the point of ast? minor rng dependant padding?

Ast has always had low pdps until they changed malefic's cast time and a bare bones rotation the most complex was 2 Dots and then spam that malefic but the dps is not what resonated me to the job, it was its support options, its card system, and currently its a hollow shell of what it used to be, i can work with the new system, still does not mean i prefer the old one but when you combine so low rdps contribution and low healing we get 3.0 ast again. A fundamentally broken job that saw nothing but exclusion the only job that has ever been worse than that design wise was 2.0 war even 4.0 war/sch was better than 3.0 ast and we are close to it again >_>

[Yuyuka3]

Oh boy the baseless assumptions are a flowing! You seem to imply here that anyone who's not been a WHM somehow has it out against your class, when in reality:

1. I remember plenty of vocal ASTs and SCHs over the years frustrated with SE's seeming inability to keep WHM relevant to groups and, particularly in the lead up to Stormblood, were vocal in calling out the dev's inane design with lilies.

2. Of those telling people to "calm down and shut up" there were quite a few self proclaimed WHM mains who were unwilling to listen to the feedback people were given on why the design wasn't working.

The different healer jobs are not opposing factions in some war for dominance. So maybe stop assuming that anyone that doesn't play your class is some bad actor out to get you. It's the mentality of a child that ironically only serves to drive people away from your ideals.

As for your last point: So just because you know someone (real or not) that feels differently, everyone else's opinion is just invalid now? Did you even bother to ask what exactly they like about this iteration versus previous versions of SCH? For all I know, they may be the kind of player that just enjoys playing something easy and/or overpowered...which is certainly how healing has become with SCH's "a tool for every situation" kit. For past SCHs that want some depth with the class, this opinion does nothing to counter their arguments because they're from completely different mindsets.

1. Oh yes, I totally said it was everyone saying that. Except I didn't, I specifically addressed people like you downplaying the troubles WHM went throughout the years. I brought up arguments said over the years to people like me who wanted to stick with the job. Not with a single word did I say it was every single SCH/AST-player. However, maybe I just attract jackasses, I don't know, but I had a LOT of people in different places, be it Teamspeak, Discord, ingame, or wherever, trying to tell me that WHM either is fine (in StB, even though it was clunky as heck, and didn't have anything to contribute to the party outside of pDPS, a discipline it was overtaken by ASTs, even, in the end; this is something that never actually got fixed, since I don't expect our pDPS to be sustainable in higher content at all), or so deep down in the trashbin that I'm an idiot for continuing to play it, often trying to convince me to go AST for cards, too.

2. There were many SCH and AST as well. You only have to go back a month or two to find someone being outright rude and disrespectful to the job and anyone playing it, or those putting the job down as the "training-wheel healer anyone should abandon as soon as they get used to healing". Those were mainly people playing the other two healers. Also, those people trying to tell me the cast-time reduction to their DPS abilitites and the other buffs AST received late in StB were tooootaaaaaally QoL, super needed and didn't impact the balancing between healers at all where all WHM mains? Sorry, but only an idiot would honestly believe that. I also had a pretty long (I think 2h+) discussion with an FC member telling me I was wrong with liking WHM and should really play AST because it's, I quote, "better in every single regard". Really sorry personal experience made me extremely bitter and distrustful of the community...

And no, their opinions are not invalid. I feel they exaggerate, though, and make SCH to be far, far worse than it actually is; and the person I was talking about agrees. Also, cool how you immediately assume he doesn't even really exist. Absolutely not trying to discredit me by implying I lie, nope. Or if you wanted to ferret a name out of me, you will have to try a lot harder than that. Said friend, btw, is one of the best bard-mains I know, also plays all the other ranged, and also levels every other job there is right now, being competent at most of them. Or in short, he is a pretty darn good player all around, parsing in the 95%+ (if you want to see one of them, give me your Discord-ID and I'll show you a screenshot with names edited out) on all jobs I have seen him on so far (mainly ranged). Now, I cannot tell you if Bard is easy to play or not since I don't play it myself and won't claim I'm an expert on it, but at least from hearsay it doesn't appear to be overly simple.

Last, I honestly don't think you even understand why I am as bitter and disappointed, both at SE and people, as I am, despite people pointing it out to you multiple times now, and far better than annoyed me ever could myself. So let me give you two quotes, and if you STILL don't see it, I'm done with you:

I see the problem as follows.

SCH and AST are complaining that thier jobs are no longer engaging. The reality is AST lost nothing to its dps rotation not a single thing for DPS was lost with them. What they're complaining about is the loss of different card effects and being able to prolong utility usage of party buffs to an almost indefinite degree What SCHs are complaining about is the loss of 5 buttons and old energy drain. What both SCH and AST are failing to see is that is the very same crap WHM has had to put up with since the ARR days. Former bestie was the one who talked ime into join ffxiv after I got tired of WoW like myself they main healers in every single MMO they played. I get it I get the complaints I really do SCH in 3.5+ was a blast and AST though nowhere near as enjoyable.( Sorry AST RNG buff cards that get burned for stronger effects usually several draw CDs in a row was more frustrating than engaging SCH was epicly more fun to do. )

That said WHM players have put up with the same thing from the very beginning WHM players asked for the job to be made more fun we got more effin heals and diminishing returns on our one actually good AoE on top of a nerf to its damage. AST and SCH meanwhile were having the time of thier lives and really really didnt seem to give one iota of a care about WHM aside from a passing one aside from those that actually leveled all three and even then it was just to say that yeah WHM is boring. So the fact that there are several WHM mains saying sucks dont it shouldnt even be remotely surprising.

That said I have said before all the endless complaint threads about upcoming changes IF when the new content came out and it was the same as ever that I would join the chorus And so I have kept that promise but those of you that are doing the SHC AST thing need to understand every complaint you have about the classes no longer being engaging was something WHM mains have dealt with since DAY1 I fully agree all the classes should be engaging both in healing and damage /damage mitigation I farther feel all the AoEs that each brings to the table should have some kind of effect to help the party like Holys Stun I think AST AoE should have a Slow and Scholar AoE get a buff that blunts the enemies damage for a few seconds by increasing party members sheilds by a 1/4 of the damage done but the effect only can happen once every 90 seconds I also think that a couple less healing buttons and a couple more dps buttons would help as well. the cards should be all AoE but bring back the effects and have the old tp increase one restore MP slightly faster. give WHM an AoE magic barrier so they can synergize with SCH and AST and for the love of god either remove the stupid water thing or give it back it's damage again.

I feel like you must be conflating me with some other poster(s) here because I have never expressed the opinion you're attributing to me. What I have expressed is utter exasperation. Let me spell it out very, very plainly so there can be no confusion. White Mage has been suffering from This Problem for the better part of 3 years. We wanted This Problem addressed by giving White Mage an interesting mechanic of its own that allowed us some engaging gameplay a la the Astrologian cards or fairy micromanagement. Instead, SE gave This Problem to SCH and groin-kicked AST with steel-toed boots. Now, there's a growing sense that the severity of the backlash is going to cause SE to fix These Problems for SCH and AST, while leaving us to press our two buttons. It's even worse because the ShB changes have brought all the Sylphies out of the woodwork to talk about how WHM is just the bee's knees now.

There is a complete lack of trust that SE can touch healers with a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer. SCH expressly does not need buffs, as it's likely already on par with WHM for rDPS contribution in Savage content. AST expressly does need buffs but, forgive us, we've just spent two years either rerolling AST or being replaced by them. All it will take is a few potency changes and we're back where we started.

Edit: So, to be completely clear. Yes, I'd love to see SCH have its gameplay issues addressed. They're badly needed. No, I don't want to see AST in a garbage heap. But by the Twelve I really wish fixing both of those things could be a priority for White Mage for once.

[Hatstand]

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Genuinely trying to understand:

1. If you don’t think WHM was fun, why didn’t you change? I’m not trying to imply you should have. I assume there is something about he WHM job that appealed to you enough that you didn’t want to leave it. I’d like to know what that thing is.

2. How would you change WHM to make it as fun as the other healers used to be?

Also, can’t speak for others, but I only started actually visiting the forums when they messed up my class. I imagine it’s the same for a lot of people. They’re not the same ones who were actively telling you to deal with it for the last few years. If you tell us what changes you’d like to see to make WHM more fun (and other WHM mains agree) I for one would be happy to support you in lobbying SE for change.

[GrimGale]

SE should embrace healers secondary identities: SCH as a debuffer, WHM as a nuker and AST as a buffer.

Give each a system as complex as the AST cards use to be to fill the healing downtime.

Have SCH use AF stacks to find enemy weaknesses and reveal them with Chain Stratagem to create burst windows.
Have WHM water the lillies by weaving together healing and damaging spells.
And AST focus on aligning buffs, extending and changing them to fit the needs of the party.