Lack of End Game Content

[Nariel]

Before they add new content, I think they need to go back and revise old content. Like Chocobo Racing, Lords of Vermillion, PVP, make BLU max level and useable in relevant content!

I don't know, I'd rather have them leave those failure behind them and go forward.

[Dyvid]

I'll take this thread with a lot of grains of salt. There is stuff to keep average player happy until more stuff drop but if you are playing 24/7 then yea, you'll be out of stuff to do.

[LadyKairi]

https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed

Is this you? You said 4 savage bosses are not enough for you but I don't see you clearing any tiers ever. Also you only killed ex titania/innocence 7 times each and are grey parse. So looks like there are plenty of end game stuff for you to still accomplish. I mean, if you are gold parser/ultimate legend/clear every tier within week 1 or 2 then you have merits to your complaints, but if you haven't cleared any tiers and are grey parser then it seems funny for you to complain about lack of end game. If this is not you then I am mistaken.

Okay stop right there. I haven’t caught back up on this thread yet since my internet went out, but this needs a response. You people are so quick to call us toxic, but then you go and pull crap like this?! Are you freaking kidding me? For all you know it could be a different character of theirs. I log in here on my alt from time to time. Also, a person doesn’t have to participate in the content to support raiders in having more content. And then to criticize their grey parse in an extreme primal. Really?

1) you can’t gauge a person’s clears by their logs if they’re not the ones uploading them consistently every time they clear. Even my logs aren’t entirely accurate since others are the ones who upload them. Not me.

2) you don’t seem to understand what goes into reaching gold/orange on fflogs. It takes having a special comp in a party dedicated to feeding certain people so their numbers are over exaggerated due to the large number of buffs they get fed. This is for only a very small portion of the raiding population. That group is extremely cut throat and can be seen as toxic due to certain behaviors, and considering you don’t participate in the raid scene, I find it funny you are emulating their toxic behavior in this post. Ridiculous.

Not gonna speak for anyone else, but in my posts I do not demean or w/e content that’s not savage or ultimate. Not by a long shot. I only say that savage and high end content is what I enjoy most of all. There are other content I enjoy, sure, but they do not give me the feelings and satisfaction that savage does. Me stating I prefer a certain group of content and get more out of it than others is not demeaning it nor looking down on others who enjoy it. You seem to be grasping at straws here. Do you even read, I mean REALLY read, what we are saying? Because it doesn’t seem like it.

I only get to play 3 days a week for a few hours. Even then I still end up with a lot of leftover time before the next tier. I’m not hating on people who enjoy the other content, not at all. But excuse me if I voice my discontent towards those that are boasting about how much content they have (practically drowning in it), and are being selfish enough to refuse to share with others that play the game and deserve to be happy. And for what? Because you don’t do the content? Because you hate us? You can’t even say we are the only ones who can be toxic, when you and others here are prime example of people in your group being toxic.

[Catwho]

i think you guys should stop replying to the guy that doesnt even have a max level combat job and be incapable of reading

regarding max level jobs: the forum displays aren't 100% accurate at the moment, since a lot of us ended up leveling something that wasn't listed as our "main" class and just didn't bother to update it. Also some forum profiles haven't updated properly in months, for some reason....

[Hawklaser]

To all the ones like Nims and Zabuza, wanting more challenging end game content, the more and more I think about all the pieces of the puzzle, the more I am starting to come to an odd conclusion. For some it's not so much the content or the rewards of the content, it's the spirit of competition.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the lack of content crowd seems to be the ones that also strive for world/server first clears so devour content faster than everyone else. Its not the loot or content that drives them, but their competitive nature.

And thats where the content is truly lacking. So if raids or pvp were totally off the table, what other kinds of competitive things might be fun for you? Weekly/Monthly leaderboards for fastest min iLvl clears for certain trials/dungeons, lowest iLvl clears done for the same, random boss rush roulettes?

[Nariel]

To all the ones like Nims and Zabuza, wanting more challenging end game content, the more and more I think about all the pieces of the puzzle, the more I am starting to come to an odd conclusion. For some it's not so much the content or the rewards of the content, it's the spirit of competition.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the lack of content crowd seems to be the ones that also strive for world/server first clears so devour content faster than everyone else. Its not the loot or content that drives them, but their competitive nature.

And thats where the content is truly lacking. So if raids or pvp were totally off the table, what other kinds of competitive things might be fun for you? Weekly/Monthly leaderboards for fastest min iLvl clears for certain trials/dungeons, lowest iLvl clears done for the same, random boss rush roulettes?

I actualy kinda like the idea of a boss survival rush... Like very much.

[Zabuza]

To all the ones like Nims and Zabuza, wanting more challenging end game content, the more and more I think about all the pieces of the puzzle, the more I am starting to come to an odd conclusion. For some it's not so much the content or the rewards of the content, it's the spirit of competition.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the lack of content crowd seems to be the ones that also strive for world/server first clears so devour content faster than everyone else. Its not the loot or content that drives them, but their competitive nature.

And thats where the content is truly lacking. So if raids or pvp were totally off the table, what other kinds of competitive things might be fun for you? Weekly/Monthly leaderboards for fastest min iLvl clears for certain trials/dungeons, lowest iLvl clears done for the same, random boss rush roulettes?

I would go for world/server first clears if I had the time, or the main job(Samurai is shunned for such things). My Zalera server first was before I got a full time job. Now, I just want refreshing content that can last for more than 2 months. I want them to think outside the box for fights(in this case quite literally.) I would love for fights to be implemented where you cleverly utilize the environment to kill adds on certain phases, or parts of the fight where the environment itself interacts with our character in unique ways(there are plenty of examples of this if you look at other MMOs.) I love PvP, but this game engine isn't built for that with the way the combat works so I don't talk about it.

I would love if the Savage raids were even more expansive than coil was, with plenty of hidden mysteries to explore. Of course, I realize people don't wish to waste their time and want to go straight to the goal, so there would have to be proper reward incentives. For this, I think of something like chests that can contain an item that pops an NM, either inside or outside the raid, which in turn would drop high gil items to sell(Think KSNMs/BCNMs from FFXI). High-end crafting items having a small chance to drop off the trash in between is also something that can provide incentive. They can also implement a survival mode type endgame, where waves of enemies(tons of trash and bosses scattered here and there) rush at you(similar to one of your suggestions). Rewards could correspond to how long you survive and how many bosses you kill. What is sorely lacking right now in endgame is any form of exploration or adventure. It's just boss fights and that's it. It's extremely linear, as is the gear, which is also a limiting factor on endgame right now. If you made additional modes, the amount of BiS gear wouldn't increase, because there is no such thing as situational gear in this game, just flat stats. I would love to implement more exploration into our endgame, for it to feel like an epic adventure. But again, knowing how people are, there has to be some kind of reward for that.

[Nims]

it's the spirit of competition.

Not for me, I don't care about world firsts clears, never have and never will. I want challenging and lasting content. I want there to be a reason that I'm going out of my way to get this gear. Be it fun(raids here aren't fun any more, Coil was fun) or because I need it for world bosses or something else. That's the reason I don't play BDO as long as I'd like. I love the grinding, the open world, the pvp, and the fact quests aren't forced down my throat but there's no real reason for the grind. I grind for like what? Node Wars 2 times a week?

Here getting gear for raids is an acceptable answer but the stuff is so easy you can clear it all in overmeld crafted gear.

[MonteCristo]

Not for me, I don't care about world firsts clears, never have and never will. I want challenging and lasting content. I want there to be a reason that I'm going out of my way to get this gear. Be it fun(raids here aren't fun any more, Coil was fun) or because I need it for world bosses or something else. That's the reason I don't play BDO as long as I'd like. I love the grinding, the open world, the pvp, and the fact quests aren't forced down my throat but there's no real reason for the grind. I grind for like what? Node Wars 2 times a week?

Here getting gear for raids is an acceptable answer but the stuff is so easy you can clear it all in overmeld crafted gear.

This is more or less what i am saying too. Dont really care of EX trials or fighting for a world first. Would just love some Content that is lasting and can be done with replayability. Loved the way relic played out but it was a huge disappointment to put that much effort into a weapon that not only isnt BIS but does not stand the test of time. We have had like a million different relics. Would love one true ultimate weapon with something unique about it ex. Special hidden trait or weaponskill/ability. But i digress....To be honest i really thought eureka was going to be our savior and it was the exact type of content i was looking forward too....on paper it sounded GREAT....then it failed

[LadyKairi]

To all the ones like Nims and Zabuza, wanting more challenging end game content, the more and more I think about all the pieces of the puzzle, the more I am starting to come to an odd conclusion. For some it's not so much the content or the rewards of the content, it's the spirit of competition.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the lack of content crowd seems to be the ones that also strive for world/server first clears so devour content faster than everyone else. Its not the loot or content that drives them, but their competitive nature.

And thats where the content is truly lacking. So if raids or pvp were totally off the table, what other kinds of competitive things might be fun for you? Weekly/Monthly leaderboards for fastest min iLvl clears for certain trials/dungeons, lowest iLvl clears done for the same, random boss rush roulettes?

I wish for more challenging content, yet I have zero interest in being world first or top of the leader board. I just like the challenge and bettering myself in challenging content. I like to compare myself to my superiors, but it’s more about learning and self improvement than being competitive.

I only really log in to raid on my scheduled raid days. We take our time, yet we still end up with a long period where we have nothing to really do after we get our gear and mounts. This content brings my static together. We have a lot of fun together, and progging with them is a blast. I also tend to stream our raid night, so even my FC fam tune in to experience the content when they either can’t prog or don’t feel they’re good enough to participate. It brings my loved ones together and it gives me a lot of entertainment (optimizing and finally clearing feels so rewarding).

I’m not sure what I would add. I’ve thought even just one more boss would be fine. I’ve also heard of challenging 4 man dungeons, which I’m all for. I’m game for anything at this point. I just find the current dungeons braindead. I don’t even have to think about what I’m doing, to the point it just makes me really sleepy. Extremes aren’t that much better. I do have to say, though, I love the fact they add one primal every expansion that’s supposed to be more difficult than the others (thordan and shinryu), though I think one is pretty low. I find those the most rewarding.