Lack of End Game Content

[IzzyData]

So here we are, 63 pages in, and people are still arguing to go do the other types of content if raiders are bored despite them saying multiple times those aren't fun.

I dislike the other class' playstyles, yet people are saying I should level them up so I can't be bored. Why should I force myself to play content I hate? So I shouldn't be angry about not having stuff I like?
The actual complaint here is a lack of engaging, fun and hard battle content. This is a valid complaint, especially for a MMO.

You can finish the content very quickly and I can understand that, but the issue with this is the lack of replayability from the fights themselves (as well, of course, of a lack of hard fights). The system is too rigid to allow deviation and it's playing against the Devs in certain instances like this one. There is so much more they could do with Raids instead of small-arena-you-can-fall-off-plus-boss (heck I suggested environment hazards for Deltascape V2 in my last post, wouldn't that have been cool?).

Honestly, I think you should just quit and go do something else. There is little reason to believe the entire format of the game will change at this point. If the game as it exists today is not fun for you then why bother?

[Xieldras]

Honestly, I think you should just quit and go do something else. There is little reason to believe the entire format of the game will change at this point. If the game as it exists today is not fun for you then why bother?

I bother because I love the game and I want it to be the best it can be. There is so much potential in the gameplay and the world of Eorzea raid-wise and to see it being unused is painful. The team makes cool mechanics for fights, I'll say it out loud, but if it's the same strict formula without changes (adding some 24man mechs in there would be cool no?) then people will get bored eventually of the same treadmill. Even a small deviation helps, and as I mentioned before, the content is already there for them to implement in raids.

I want to have challenging content! I want to have a higher skill ceiling for the community! I want to have post-MSQ hard progression! And I believe in the capability of the Dev team to make it happen!

[Ibkee]

I bother because I love the game and I want it to be the best it can be. There is so much potential in the gameplay and the world of Eorzea raid-wise and to see it being unused is painful. The team makes cool mechanics for fights, I'll say it out loud, but if it's the same strict formula without changes (adding some 24man mechs in there would be cool no?) then people will get bored eventually of the same treadmill. Even a small deviation helps, and as I mentioned before, the content is already there for them to implement in raids.

I want to have challenging content! I want to have a higher skill ceiling for the community! I want to have post-MSQ hard progression! And I believe in the capability of the Dev team to make it happen!

Isn't this exactly what Ultimate is? Challenging content? A high skill cap? Post-MSQ hard progression? What am I missing here?

[Xieldras]

Isn't this exactly what Ultimate is? Challenging content? A high skill cap? Post-MSQ hard progression? What am I missing here?

You're right that Ultimate is all those things. To me that piece of content is total end-game, but that's also what it is: a piece. While I don't wish to have 8-man at Ultimate level necessarily, I do wish for more of it.

So the one thing I wonder is what will need to be sacrificed for this "extra" content? Or even just different. They have a formula that works (really, can you argue it works if this game is still challenging WoW for top spot?). Yes it doesn't work for everyone but for a large amount of people (regular subs don't stay regular if they don't want to keep playing the game) the game has enough and they're OK doing the same thing every expansion.

Something HAS to be sacrificed, the team has shown time and time again that they are working within limited resources (whether by upper management limitation or just sheer availability of talent we don't know) to hit a set schedule. The fact we have 2 debatably unfinished races (not genderwise, just equipment and customization wise) shows they're starting to fall behind with what they NEED to complete, let alone what they'd like to do.

They've tried different sometimes and we've gotten content that fell extremely flat: Diadem, Eureka.
We had ultimates and I think it was a tiny % of the userbase who even completed it? Someone have those numbers?

Sure more "endgame" stuff would bring more endgame type players, but what and who would be the cost?

This is most of the "themepark" players concerns I believe. What will be taken away from them that they already expect regularly so that another group can just get another .. something.

You can't make everyone happy, they're going to disappoint someone somewhere and right now it looks like they're choosing to go the safe route and disappoint the people who already are disappointed.

It would be tremendous if they suddenly dumped more resources into the game and everyone got stuff, but I don't think that's gonna happen to a 6/9 year old game.

I don't have a rebuttal for it since I agree. Devs do not have the resources they need for a MMO this size and they also have quite a few things to fix (Housing is my biggest pet peeve, but also gender-locked races). It's a shame really, but the blame is on the higher executives on this one.

The formula works for sure, but sticking to the same formula for a long time is not a good thing to do in my eyes. You can stick to the core aspects of it but you need some variation. Of course, I'm not talking about reinventing the wheel every expansion.

Well, this certainly seems like a great money and time investment to appease a massive portion of the playersbase. They really should make one every patch at the very least.

This is taking the extreme level of content difficulty, not the Raids.

[ForteNightshade]

Isn't this exactly what Ultimate is? Challenging content? A high skill cap? Post-MSQ hard progression? What am I missing here?

To be fair, I wager most people asking for more end game content aren't referring to bleed edge difficult fights like Ultimate. They want harder dungeons, more raid bosses or even a more fleshed out Eureka. Basically, stuff they can do at max level that isn't entirely brain dead.

[IzzyData]

I bother because I love the game and I want it to be the best it can be.

Clearly not. You like your false depiction of what you think this game should be and not what it is now.

[MonteCristo]

Honestly, I think you should just quit and go do something else. There is little reason to believe the entire format of the game will change at this point. If the game as it exists today is not fun for you then why bother?

I love ff...have supported it for years so excuse me for having a loyalty to the brand. Id just like to see certain roots that it established itself under historically truly manifest in this version solely because it is multiplayer game....its new school people like you whos entitlement to watered down mess of content that absolutely irritate me to no end because for some reason (money) you have become the majority which enables this problem with no real end in sight.....There i said it...