Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Been here since launch, still haven't run out of things to do.

There hasn't been time where I log in and have nothing to do.

Stop complaining there is no content.

There are tons of different things, some of them I'm not interested (maybe), some other I like them a lot. This game gives you a ton of different options and I never saw so much different things you can do in a single mmo. And if I still here, proof I didn't ran out of options yet.

In fact there is still too much to do in XIV

I honestly feel like there's too much to do in this game... my achievement list is pretty sad.

I am never bored. Still plenty of stuff to do and the team delivers content updates on a fairly frequent schedule. It all works out in my opinion

This thread made me get back decorating. Because once you get a house, you never run out of things to do.

As someone who works and generally only plays for a few hours in a day, there's more to do than I have time for.

At this point, I honestly have more than enough content to do and I don't even plan on doing savage (would like to, but that's a whole rant instead of a quick response).

I still have classes to level, side quests to do, lore to enjoy. I dunno about other people but there is still a ton to do, so I dont understand the "There's not enough content.".

The casuals, myself included, make our own challenges, and struggle to understand why anyone could possible get bored.

I am here since 2016 and I can't find time where adn what to do, there is so much, as other people said before me, I am never bored in Eorzea.

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.

You know what FFXIV should avoid ? Being another WoW clone.

Another problem by expecting even more end-game outside of the fact the staff don't have the ressources or would have to drain from other things people expect is who will do it. How much ressources it will cost for how many player to actualy bother with it. Keep in mind it have to worth it.


And please, don't be childish, higher up detainging the key for more budget couldn't give less of a sh*t of what happen on the forum, they want number to roll up and use as much money as they can on other project that will bring far more money than make a little portion of a MMO playerbase occupied two more weeks for close to no yield.

I'd be glad we had even more content, but I'd rather not sacrifice even more of what I have fun with for even more things I won't even bother touch. Gosh, we have already less and less new dungeon every patch for the sake of "hard" trash niche grind.

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

[Klb600]

You know what FFXIV should avoid ? Being another WoW clone.

Another problem by expecting even more end-game outside of the fact the staff don't have the ressources or would have to drain from other things people expect is who will do it. How much ressources it will cost for how many player to actualy bother with it. Keep in mind it have to worth it.


And please, don't be childish, higher up detainging the key for more budget couldn't give less of a sh*t of what happen on the forum, they want number to roll up and use as much money as they can on other project that will bring far more money than make a little portion of a MMO playerbase occupied two more weeks for close to no yield.

I'd be glad we had even more content, but I'd rather not sacrifice even more of what I have fun with for even more things I won't even bother touch. Gosh, we have already less and less new dungeon every patch for the sake of "hard" trash niche grind.

Except for the fact that FFXIV is square biggest money maker, why not invest more that would keep people sub longer(I personally only sub 3 months out the 2 year content cycle, yet when I come back I can catch up with a years worth of content in a 2 weeks, and that's playing for 20-25 hours) and I understand Yoshi says take breaks, which I also encourage. But if all square cares about is rolling up numbers as you say, it seems Yoshi and higher ups philosophy are at odds.

When Square Enix consistently farts out unfinished games like FFXV and Kingdom hearts 3, one should wonder where their investments is really being allocatad. But if the fanbase doesn't care, why should I.

[Noodle_Trinidad]

You know what FFXIV should avoid ? Being another WoW clone.

It already failed that the second ARR became a thing. What do you think the basis to ARR is?

[LadyKairi]

Except nobody is asking for just one more boss to be added. Literally SE could add 10 more bosses and people would beat them then come in here to moan, but that's besides the point.

You basically want to have your cake and eat it. You keep yelping "I don't want to play any other game", but then moan about Final Fantasy XIV being Final Fantasy XIV. Nobody is punishing you, you are punishing yourself by limiting yourself to an experience that simply doesn't tick the boxes you want

You are factually wrong. 10 more bosses would be farrrrrr too much. And no one has been asking for one more boss? Have you even been reading this thread? I have literally been asking for at least one more boss if they choose to keep this difficulty. You people overestimate us raiders if you think we would blow through 5 savage bosses in a week. Newsflash sweetie, the average raider aren’t like the world first raiders. You’d realize that if you actually did the content or have been reading what’s being said. Basing your opinions on the minority of our minority is highly unfair when most of us take much longer to consume the content.

Either they need to bring the difficulty back up to keep us busy longer, or add another fight if they insist of keeping the current difficulty. Most of us aren’t asking for much at all. And it just baffles me that people who have no idea how long it take most of us to clear said fights are trying to refuse us what we are asking for based on some stupid assumption. We aren’t asking for much. No one in this thread in favor of more content has been asking for a lot. They could literally give us a one boss more or even a TRUE hard mode dungeon.

The average raider doesn’t blow through content like you’re claiming. Denying us of our request because of false assumptions is an injustice. It’s really not fair. Why do we have to suffer because we have a minority that blows through for the prestige of being #1? Y’all have to plenty of people who blow through your content in a matter of days, yet here y’all are. Constantly getting content regardless, to the point you’re drowning in it. We don’t want a lot.

I can’t help what I enjoy and what I don’t enjoy. I can’t force myself to like something I hate, and it’s absurd to expect us to. If I didn’t love XIV I wouldn’t be here. It’s just this branch of content I enjoy is lacking. It doesn’t even need much to make most of us happy. Trying to make the content better for more shouldn’t be shunned. Especially since we are customers as well. Why shouldn’t the game be improved to make more happy? We aren’t asking to make those world first/no lifers happy. They will never be happy with what is given if they want to be #1 all the time. We are asking to make the average raider happy. Those of us who spend time IRL but still have enough game time to beat the tier and have a drought until the next.

You people get your cake and eat it too. Why can’t we have just a little more than what we get. You guys still get most of the cake.

[CazzT]

It already failed that the second ARR became a thing. What do you think the basis to ARR is?

That's like saying every hotbar, tab-target mmo is a wow-clone. FFXIV is not a wow-clone. It's a story-centric generic MMO. It's a very well done MMO, but it's still the generic MMO formula.

[Zabuza]

You are factually wrong. 10 more bosses would be farrrrrr too much. And no one has been asking for one more boss? Have you even been reading this thread? I have literally been asking for at least one more boss if they choose to keep this difficulty. You people overestimate us raiders if you think we would blow through 5 savage bosses in a week. Newsflash sweetie, the average raider aren’t like the world first raiders. You’d realize that if you actually did the content or have been reading what’s being said. Basing your opinions on the minority of our minority is highly unfair when most of us take much longer to consume the content.

Either they need to bring the difficulty back up to keep us busy longer, or add another fight if they insist of keeping the current difficulty. Most of us aren’t asking for much at all. And it just baffles me that people who have no idea how long it take most of us to clear said fights are trying to refuse us what we are asking for based on some stupid assumption. We aren’t asking for much. No one in this thread in favor of more content has been asking for a lot. They could literally give us a one boss more or even a TRUE hard mode dungeon.

The average raider doesn’t blow through content like you’re claiming. Denying us of our request because of false assumptions is an injustice. It’s really not fair. Why do we have to suffer because we have a minority that blows through for the prestige of being #1? Y’all have to plenty of people who blow through your content in a matter of days, yet here y’all are. Constantly getting content regardless, to the point you’re drowning in it. We don’t want a lot.

I can’t help what I enjoy and what I don’t enjoy. I can’t force myself to like something I hate, and it’s absurd to expect us to. If I didn’t love XIV I wouldn’t be here. It’s just this branch of content I enjoy is lacking. It doesn’t even need much to make most of us happy. Trying to make the content better for more shouldn’t be shunned. Especially since we are customers as well. Why shouldn’t the game be improved to make more happy? We aren’t asking to make those world first/no lifers happy. They will never be happy with what is given if they want to be #1 all the time. We are asking to make the average raider happy. Those of us who spend time IRL but still have enough game time to beat the tier and have a drought until the next.

You people get your cake and eat it too. Why can’t we have just a little more than what we get. You guys still get most of the cake.

Careful, they might think you're being unreasonable while they brag about the plethora of content they have to do. Obviously you have to like what they do, and if you don't you need to leave and go back to WoW where you came from! We don't need you here!

[Klb600]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders on the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.



How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

This is a work of Art, well put.

Careful, they might think you're being unreasonable while they brag about the plethora of content they have to do. Obviously you have to like what they do, and if you don't you need to leave and go back to WoW where you came from! We don't need you here!

The "friendly and understanding" FFXIV community in a nutshell. They brag about how nice of a community they are but that is only if you subscribe to their belief. Deviate from any view of the game that they share and be prepared to be crucified.

[Forever_Learning]

I don't speak for just myself, I represent a viewpoint shared by many people who know and play WoW well.

Obviously you're not a fan of RNG and that''s fine.

On par with MoP and Cata however? That's a very brave comparison and one I've never heard. Most people will disagree.

You can watch the videos by Azmongold where he ranks the different expansions. See where he places Legion, issues he discusses.

I'm largely repeating him.

You're absolutely nitpicking the things you didn't like disregarding all the good stuff.

Listing entire content patches and aspects that existed for an entire expansion that determine to what capacity because could play aren't nitpicking. Saying the Broken Shore and Argue, the two content patches in Legion, were poor content, isn't nitpicking.

Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say "Yeah but the playerbase steadily decreased from start to finish for the expansionnnn". Wow gee its almost like players play a game less that they've completed towards the end. I've never heard of players unsubbing towards the end of an expansion. Oh never.

Please - this is just senseless bashing.

You can see Bellular's videos on the topic, and Preach's videos. Most significant is the lack of patches having a content on people leaving the game or their interest. You don't have to take my word on it.

[Zabuza]

I don't speak for just myself, I represent a viewpoint shared by many people who know and play WoW well.

That's the point.

[Forever_Learning]

You are being deceitful and coming of as spiteful and bitter to someone trying engage in fruitful dialogue. Look at you trying to woo and convert this person to your cause with your us vs them mentality. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm doing none of the above.

At no time have you, the OP, the person you quoted, nor Scottzone said:

PLEASE SE GIVE US MORE TO CRAFT!

It has been a request for more raid bosses, more challenging content like Mythic+

Furthermore, when people said "I level up crafters", they were even told "that's not end-game content because it begins before level 80'

The picture you want to create is nice, but the evidence doesn't match the picture.

This is from the very same person you quoted:

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content.

Go ask for more raids, go ask for more crafting, but don't say a lack of raid bosses = lack of end-game content.