Lack of End Game Content

[foussi]

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*Sees everyone going at each others throats*

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Imo more end game content should be added like maybe two or 4 bosses or i dunno but not so much that you burn out at the game or that it ends up being dailies and then logging off.

[Nexxus]

Most people think, as long as there is others content (that may bore you) there's still a lot to do.
Honestly, i only like playing my char as a fighter, not a crafter, neither a gatherer, the fun is where i can kill in large battle content with others people...
What FFXIV bring, is repeatable content, until you're bored, and it come fast.
I stand most of my time, half afk, asking myself if i'll do a random dungeon, or... i'll just sit here... watching... nothing ?!
Every good content, is in an instance. PvP, Battlefight... Hunt ? you spend most of your time searching a foe, that will be kill in a sec...
On others games, once you end up at max lvl, you keep earning experience point to be spent for different things.
You have open space content to do things (FATE type, with large scale boss).
You get RvR maps that can be entered anytime you want, so you can play in there while waiting for your mate.

FFXIV, keep the same, again and again pattern, that it become sad each day that come...

[Klb600]

I'm doing none of the above.

At no time have you, the OP, the person you quoted, nor Scottzone said:

PLEASE SE GIVE US MORE TO CRAFT!

It has been a request for more raid bosses, more challenging content like Mythic+

Furthermore, when people said "I level up crafters", they were even told "that's not end-game content because it begins before level 80'

The picture you want to create is nice, but the evidence doesn't match the picture.

and for the last time, go ask for more raids, go ask for more crafting, but don't say a lack of raid bosses = lack of end-game content.

Yes we never asked for more craft.....Because that is not what this topic was focused on as stated. He wanted a discussion on 80 battle content and that is what the focus is. Like you know, how there are threads specifically for glamour's, mounts, vanity trinkets etc.. Keep the discussion on the topic is what I mean.

Ok i'll admit maybe OP should be more specific but don't faign ignorance, when you see endgame topic in an MMO thread, you know what to expect.

[Taramin]

Endgame hasn't even come out yet, maybe everyone should see how hard Savage is before moaning about a lack of content? What if it's another Gordias?

[Forever_Learning]

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows.

I heard the same argument during ARR, when it launched at the end of MoP.

Since then, the playerbase of WoW has dwindled while FF14 continues to steadily increase bit by bit. It's currently discussed far more than say GW2, SWTOR, or Wildstar (RIP).

Maybe, just maybe, part of the success of FF14 is being it's own type of MMO. It doesn't try to be something for everyone, but rather, it does cater a bit more to the so-called casual audience.

and here's the kicker - maybe that's ok.

People who are happy with the game, a population that steadily keep increasing, keeps repeating the same mantra: "Im ok, if you aren't, there are other games" and they aren"t interested in changing the structure of the game cause it works for them.

Games with a different aesthetic (EOS) or a different gear structure (WoW) can exist to cater to different audiences, and that's ok. There doesn't need to be ONE MMO that caters to everyone on the planet that wants to play an MMO.

Like, you don't need to go to Disney and tell them their park would sell more tickets if their was more violence and roller coasters. They are fine, and maybe another park would suit your taste better?

Some people are like that girl who demanded french fries at Taco Bell.

[Zabuza]

Endgame hasn't even come out yet, maybe everyone should see how hard Savage is before moaning about a lack of content? What if it's another Gordias?

Yeah, no. I've heard this way too many times over the last 4 years, and it's obvious that the same formula for endgame has already been followed again. It's pretty obvious how it's going to go down.

I heard the same argument during ARR, when it launched at the end of WoD.

Since then, the playerbase of WoW has dwindled while FF14 continues to steadily increase bit by bit. It's currently discussed far more than say GW2, SWTOR, or Wildstar (RIP).

Maybe, just maybe, part of the success of FF14 is being it's own type of MMO. It doesn't try to be something for everyone, but rather, it does cater a bit more to the so-called casual audience.

and here's the kicker - maybe that's ok.

People who are happy with the game, a population that steadily keep increasing, keeps repeating the same mantra: "Im ok, if you aren't, there are other games" and they aren"t interested in changing the structure of the game cause it works for them.

Games with a different aesthetic (EOS) or a different gear structure (WoW) can exist to cater to different audiences, and that's ok. There doesn't need to be ONE MMO that caters to everyone on the planet that wants to play an MMO.

Like, you don't need to go to Disney and tell them their park would sell more tickets if their was more violence and roller coasters. They are fine, and maybe another park would suit your taste better?

Some people are like that girl who demanded french fries at Taco Bell.

It's funny because savage used to have a higher difficulty, as did even certain MSQ fights, but then casuals complained and the difficulties of these things were lowered to accommodate them. Even still, at that point, I never complained when casuals constantly asked for things. Without this hardcore crowd, and those who came from FFXI, FFXIV may not even have been alive today for you to enjoy. Hell, the MMORPG genre as we know it may not even exist currently. We've been sitting back as the genre, and this game becomes more and more casualized. I sat back silently as you all requested glamour and minigames. Yet, if we even request anything at all there's a pushback against us. Why can't you simply live and let live? Is it so hard?

It's more like I was used to fries but then a crowd of people demanded Taco Bell. Then all the burger joints in my city were demolished and replaced with Taco Bells. Then all of a sudden I can't find the fries I used to like anywhere.

[Catwho]

Imo more end game content should be added like maybe two or 4 bosses or i dunno but not so much that you burn out at the game or that it ends up being dailies and then logging off.

I can't even disagree with that. Sure, add more raids. Add more challenging battle content. Keep them happy. Why not. No skin off my nose.

What we seem to be disagreeing with is whether non-battle content should ever be counted as end-game, and per the majority of the folks asking for additional "end-game content", the answer seems to be "no."

[Insertcoins]

OP have you tried ultimate by chance? Do you have all those weapons on your jobs? I just want know. Cause if not then I'm calling BS for asking for more bosses when you don't have those.. If you do then I'll back away.

[Zabuza]

I can't even disagree with that. Sure, add more raids. Add more challenging battle content. Keep them happy. Why not. No skin off my nose.

What we seem to be disagreeing with is whether non-battle content should ever be counted as end-game, and per the majority of the folks asking for additional "end-game content", the answer seems to be "no."

I am glad you don't mind if raiders are given additional challenging battle content. The reason this type of content is referred to as 'end-game content' is because even back during the hardcore MMO days, high-end battle content was dubbed endgame content. Max level crafting content is certainly end-game content for crafters. Leveling other jobs is not really end-game content as some would like to say. Either way it doesn't really matter, and all of that is just semantics. It has long since been cleared up that the 'end-game content' the OP was referring to was indeed challenging battle content. Which a lot of casuals are resisting having any additional battle content put into this game, as they are scared it will take out of their content, even though they have already said they have more content than they know what to do with while raiders typically spend less than half of a 6 month cycle before they're through the content they enjoy.

It is very unfair treatment. An injustice, as a poster before me stated.

[Schan]

This thread... I can't even.

I would like to just point out that unlike wow who dumps content on you whenever it's ready, FFXIV regularly drip feeds you content.

Apparently it's a thing people coming from wow find difficult to handle. It sucks to be forced to pace yourself apparently.

Also I never sat down to do the maths since my knowledge on WoW is very limited. I quit it waaaaaaaay back when WoLK dropped but you get what.... 10 bosses every year (of which quite a few are referred to as trash bosses)? FFXIV drops 4 every what... 3 months? I would love for someone knowledgeable about both games and who enjoys maths to sit here and break it down to see how many bosses (if this is what you call "end game") each game provides per year or so.