SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[Melichoir]

I disagree.

You can say you disagree, but HyoMinPark is correct. it's not a privacy issue. It's not your data and the data is available to everyone in party. So it matters little if you agree or not. If you dont want your data on fflogs, then you can opt out.

Keep in mind though that if your concern is people judging you based on your logs, know that if people are gonna judge you by your logs and cant find you, there pretty much gonna assume you have bad parses and are hiding it out of embarrassment. You arent stopping anyone from passing judgement on you.

[IzzyData]

t's not a privacy issue.

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

[YukinoAmidala]

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

How is data that is publicly visible in game by anyone you party with private?

[Melichoir]

Terms of servicers are actually legally binding contracts between the partiets who sign it. They are however deemed uninforceable if it States that the service providor can change it when ever and however they want.

It's in my best interest (and yours) that what you sign is clean.

I dont care who or how logs or parsers. I raid when I want and how I want and havent had any problems yet. Get that narrative outta here.

I don't care that somebody is looking at my numbers. I care that while it's against the ToS, I'm now in a position where it's up to ME to let the third party program know that I don't wanna break the ToS because just by agreeing to the ToS, making my character and coming across someone who uses this stuff, I'm automaticly breaking the ToS. essentially.

Make it legal, hell endorse it! Don't put me in a situations where I have to work to not be involved with it when I've bought the game, signed the thing and bought the subscription for it, if it's not a game feauture.

That's all I would like, personally.

Read the ToS. They reserve the right to make changes among other things as they see fit, among determining how the terms of service is used. This means they can enforce (or choose not too) as they see fit and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you have an issue with the legalese, go ahead and file a lawsuit. Beyond that, theyre not going to care.

If you have no problem with it existing, and still raid regardless of it, then what is your problem? It's not in the ToS or that SE doesnt enforce ToS unilaterally? Please. This is sounding like you are making a fuss out of something you seem to be fine with but arent for really odd reasons.

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

Again, its not an opinion. It's fact. You can hold the opinion that it should be a privacy issue, but that doesnt change the fact it isnt currently because the information provided isnt yours - it's SEs. They can do anything they want with that information, and as long as youre in the theme park, people can see what youre doing and SE is fine with this usually

[Granyala]

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

No RL data is involved. It is not a privacy issue.
In addition, as others already stated: the data in question is of public nature to begin with.

By definition it cannot be a privacy issue.

End of story.

[IzzyData]

No RL data is involved. It is not a privacy issue.
In addition, as others already stated: the data in question is of public nature to begin with.

By definition it cannot be a privacy issue.

End of story.

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

You are implying so many things such as companies like google, facebook or phone companies collecting data on you and selling it is not a privacy concern just because your name isn't directly attached.

It might not be a big privacy concern, but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with privacy.

[Granyala]

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

You know the thing about opinions?
They do not matter in such a case.

Facts do.

And the facts state that identifying you as a person via an online gaming log containing only server name and avatar name is impossible unless YOU create that possibility.
As such the laws of data privacy do NOT apply here because they were made to protect sensitive personal data pertaining to your real life person.

[YukinoAmidala]

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

Online Privacy Policies apply to your individual privacy IRL. As in your actual personal information. Which fflogs and parsers do not read or collect in any way.

[ForteNightshade]

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

You are implying so many things such as companies such as google, facebook or phone companies collecting data on you and selling it is not a privacy concern just because your name isn't directly attached.

It might not be a big privacy concern, but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with privacy.

Except FFlogs isn't selling your data. So comparing the two amounts to little more than a Strawman.

You can claim it an opinion until your face turns blue. That doesn't make it any more accurate. Privacy laws and restrictions can only be applied to something you own. You do not own the data FFlogs calculates—nor do you own anything regarding your character whatsoever. Everything belongs to Square Enix, and what they choose to do with their data is entirely their own prerogative. Now if FFlogs took your RL name, address, date of birth and etc., then and only then could you invoke privacy laws. Since none of that information is exchanged, it isn't a privacy concern. So once again, you are free to disagree but facts don't care how you feel. They are just facts.

[Melichoir]

It's data that "directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual".

That is so vaguely open ended its meaningless.

Define individual. Do they mean the fact that you are a human being therefore it identifies you? By that logic, any time you say anything in game, it falls into that. Or the fact you post here on a public forum falls into that. If you use an anonymous account on social media of any kind, it falls into that. If someone quotes something you say, that counts, even if they dont name or even describe you. The vaguest of things could simply be "I heard someone once say 'x'" and that would fall into 'data that directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual." It's a meaningless clause if read that way. And Im pretty sure that isnt it's intended reading.

If its identifies you as a specific person with a specific set of data, then you may have an argument. As in this data tells us your name, home address, phone number, SS, or other information that can be used to single you out IRL, then you got that.

But FFLogs does not do this (unless you willingly put your own information to it, but thats on you). We dont know your name, your address, sex, gender, height weight, employment, personal beliefs, marital status and etc. We know nothing of that from your in game avatar or how you are parsing. There is no way that this information can identify the real life you unless you do something silly like explicitely say "My name is 'x', I live at y, and am z and this is my data" But at that point, youre publically disclosing your personal information.

Beyond this, this argument is also predicated that I cant report things I see in a public setting which is what fflogs does. For example, if you and I are playing basketball, and the score is 5 to 3 and I go on my blog and write "Aiqa scored 5 points, where I scored 3.", your argument is that I violated your privacy. All ff logs is transcribe the information in the battle log which anyone in the party has access to and posts it. It doesnt do this automatically. It does this when we post it. It's literally just logging what was done, and then posting it to a public blog. The whole "DPS numbers" and what not are factored out using math based on the information the log provides. It's not releasing any thing you havent done.

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

You are implying so many things such as companies like google, facebook or phone companies collecting data on you and selling it is not a privacy concern just because your name isn't directly attached.

It might not be a big privacy concern, but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with privacy.

This is a mischaracterization of the issue with privacy online. The issue people have is companies like google taking your personal habits and selling that information to third parties or using that personal data to target you directly to influence your choices or thinking. In the case of battle logs, if I am playing the game with you and witness you do certain things and post it, its not violating your privacy in this regards. I am witnessing you do something in a public environment where that information is recorded and posting that information. Youre not being singled out as a real life individual, the information isnt being sold, and it's not being used to influence your thinking or choices maliciously.