What have you done?

[DynnDiablos]

I am loving the changes to MCH, and I am happy they've made tanks more palatable to play. As someone who never tanked before, it is nice to not feel completely overwhelmed. People are screaming that this game has become too simple, which it honestly hasn't.

[Scremin]

Lol...you again huh. The guy who pretends to be so righteous but attacks everybody he disagrees with, while lecturing us and telling us to not do that all while saying how our opinions don't matter lol, and we should just stop talking about issues.Then you even tried to lie and say I'm not having actual discussions about DRK when you can literally go and read them right now in my post history. You can respond to this message if you want but just know after I send this I'm not gonna waste any more time with you.

Your opinion matter yes, but then again, you also spam the forum with your negativity so much, and then don't accept when people says they like the job, and everyone must prove to you why they like it in the first place, please. No one owes you anything. And I'm literally only on this thread, you are the one that's everywhere with your DRK is bad bs. Remember what i taught you yesterday? Your opinion is not the same as the job being bad, it just means you don't like it, get it into your head. And yeah untill you don't stop your annoying agenda of DRK is bad everywhere, I'm gonna refute you every step of the way, because you literally have no viable argument,

You said I had a big ego or you called me a narcissist yesterday right? Yet here you are on nearly every single post in this section of the forum acting as if you're mighter than thou and talking down to people. Don't you dare sit there and try to falsely accuse other people of that nonsense, especially when that's exactly the type of person you've revealed yourself to be. I mean just look at this, "If you were remotely decent.." dude close your mouth already lol, who do you think you are?
Sit down.

It's even funnier because you kinda had to use Power Slash combo, even if it was just a handful of times. You're making it seem like one should have neverrr used it...I mean, that's just plain wrong, as a Tank you kind of need to have aggro. And even if you didn't use it all that much, it was still there. You still had the option to use it. You mockingly say that having Power Slash is decision making, but...it was. Albeit not the greatest, but at least there was something else to do if I ever got tired of spamming one combo over and over.

Yeah, I used power slash combo exactly ONE time per boss fight, to establish inicial aggro, and that's it. It didn't even feel good to use. It wasn't decision making, that's an ilusion, there was no decision involved, using it more than just initial aggro was a dps loss at best. Unless you count using it for w/e reason (aesthetics, idk) count as decision making.

Being completely forced to spam Souleater now just feels bad. It's not fun, and it's next level repetitive. 4.0's setup wasnt peefect either, but at least it had something more. Regardless of that though, no matter how bad 4.0 was, it still doesn't excuse the Souleater spamming in 5.0. No matter how you try to twist this to prove your point, having only one combo and less options than before is not a good thing. The other tanks have this figured out, it's only DRK that's lacking there. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to justify lack of choice and spammy gameplay, I'm starting to think it's because you're just so desperate to be right and can't admit when you're wrong lol. But to be frank with you, I really don't care. After reading some of the posts and rants you've made on here these past couple days, I'm not even gonna try to understand you tbh. You honestly just seem like such a unreasonable person.

Enlighten me what more it had? Power Slash combo? Nah...
Dark Arts? Nah, was a 140 potency spam button, now we have 2 bigger potencies spam buttons.
DRK was never a combo job, it was always an OGCD job, and it kept this aspect just fine. And the new stuff works great with TBN, making mitigation more active.
Mitigation, you know, the main part of tanking, not "emnity holding".
Oh and I'm not desperate, I'm having fun. you are the one who is using facts that are simply not there to prove "DRK is BAD", remembering something that literally never was. Stop.
You can not like the job all you want, but you can't talk crap about it, and please accept people actually like it.
If you find it that bad, then change jobs and move on with it.

[EpicOverlord85]

I am loving the changes to MCH, and I am happy they've made tanks more palatable to play. As someone who never tanked before, it is nice to not feel completely overwhelmed. People are screaming that this game has become too simple, which it honestly hasn't.

Not to be rude but how would you know whether or it it has become simple? I don’t mean this as an attack or anything, I’m just curious as you yourself just stated you’ve never tanked before.

[EpicOverlord85]

Again, stop with your overdramatic crap. I'm one of those "old DRK mains", been here since HW, and i like those changes a lot, so you can stop with that gatekeeping. And you can tell, as you yourself said, that you see others as well having fun with it. It just didn't clik for you... YOU!
It's not shallow, you just don't like it, and are throwing a dramatic tantrum, because let's see the words you used: struggling to even play the game, don't have the energy left, I might not stick around on the game over it... Don't tell me that's not overdramatic.
Well then leave already. all you do is complain, and while you claim DRK lost it's "complexity", you also claim:



Wich makes one wonder how much do you really know about the job in the first place? Is it a good cooldown? Nope, now is it useless? Hell no, can cheese a lot of mechanics with it. It's very, very far from being useless.



Well it's not just me refuting all those complains. Of that I can assure you. However I do agree everyone should calm down, both sides, and stop spamming the forums.

I’m not gatekeeping, I’m literally just stating that I’ve played the class for a long time and this is what I’m basing my personal feelings on. God forbid I mention my previous experiences. I would also like to point out that I’m not the only person who has been raising criticisms about how DRK plays now, the multitude of topics with this as the header kinda speaks for itself. Am I saying no one can have fun? Of course not, what I am saying is that I do not believe the direction the class is going is a good one. You’ve also mentioned multiple times that the job isn’t shallow now, but you haven’t really done much to explain how it hasn’t. Please explain to me how “1-2-3 while keeping dark side up (something that basically take care of itself) and hitting edge or flood when it procs” isn’t simple and shallow? Oh and spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds.

And you know what? No I don’t think that’s over dramatic, my three main classes where screwed with and I’m not having anywhere near the amount of fun I used to have with them as a result. What else am I supposed to say? I’m so sorry that my disappointment is up setting you so much.

I’m sorry but Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are still far better abilities than Living Dead. Of all the skills that needed to be reworked in our tool kit it was this one. And they didn’t.

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Not to be rude but how would you know whether or it it has become simple? I don’t mean this as an attack or anything, I’m just curious as you yourself just stated you’ve never tanked before.

When you start a phrase with: not to be rude, guess what, you are gonna be rude, let the dude have his fun?

I’m not gatekeeping, I’m literally just stating that I’ve played the class for a long time and this is what I’m basing my personal feelings on. God forbid I mention my previous experiences.

Yes, the moment you try to use how long you play the job to win an argument, it IS gatekeeping, because it's basically saying your opinion have more weight that those that started the job later, wich it doesn't, at all.

I would also like to point out that I’m not the only person who has been raising criticisms about how DRK plays now, the multitude of topics with this as the header kinda speaks for itself. Am I saying no one can have fun?

"Multitude of topics" lol. Just stop, there's plenty of people refuting the overdramatic ones like yourself, and then there's the constructive criticisms in those posts that people doesn't refute, you know why? Because they don't go saying: DRK is bad, is broken, no reason to play it blabla. Instead give actual criticisms while not looking at a job that never was, like you do. Please, aggro management a thing? God.
And also, putting it the same way as you do, there's also a "multitude of topics" and "multitude of posts" that refute basically everything you complain about.

You’ve also mentioned multiple times that the job isn’t shallow now, but you haven’t really done much to explain how it hasn’t. Please explain to me how “1-2-3 while keeping dark side up (something that basically take care of itself) and hitting edge or flood when it procs” isn’t simple and shallow? Oh and spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds.

Oh i did explain it, I really did, you just don't like it, thats all there is to it! Doesn't mean is shallow. You say you also didn't like SB DRK, then what did you like about HW one?
Because ShB is closer to HW than SB ever was. But really it's not my job to teach you how to actually try and have fun with a job.

Your personal preference =!= the job actually being bad, because if it was, there wouldn't be people having fun with it. And don't go again on that: old school DRK players, because there are plenty of those as well.

And you know what? No I don’t think that’s over dramatic, my three main classes where screwed with and I’m not having anywhere near the amount of fun I used to have with them as a result. What else am I supposed to say? I’m so sorry that my disappointment is up setting you so much.

Yes you are overdramatic, you can be disappointed all you want, but that's your own problem for not liking it. The moment you go to a forum calling certain jobs bad, boring, or poor design gameplay, you should expect to get some heat back from players that like those very jobs you call bad. I'm sorry for defending a job I like and also play for years from someone who is blatantly saying it sucks, while using arguments that make no real sense, with some REAL rose tinted glasses on. Next timego to a forum and say you don't like x for y, instead of saying x and y sucks, and you will have way less people talking back.

I’m sorry but Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are still far better abilities than Living Dead. Of all the skills that needed to be reworked in our tool kit it was this one. And they didn’t.

I'm not gonna even... Need rework? it's not even a priority... Living Dead works just fine. I don't like it, but it does it's job just fine, what are you even on about?

[shao32]

I think the only overdramatic one it's you with everyone.

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I think the only overdramatic one it's you with everyone.

Not overdramatic, just pissed at all this constant whining on every thread you go. Entitled people like you, who thinks only your opinion matter, piss me off a lot. God forbit others like it, you have to go everywhere and whine. You don't even have arguments at this point, yet you still go at it the moment the circlejerk starts.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

It's interesting to see so many people complain because the job is too easy now, and ask what do I manage? My first question to you would be what content are you playing? Basic dungeons and trials are very easy on every class; its meant to give you an introduction and "training" so you can enjoy the story and prepare you for later more difficult content. Thinking your job is too easy is more likely a reflection of you playing too easy of content. Join a extreme trial and then see how easy your class is to play when all of those mechanics are going off. No more staring at your hotbar or no using half your CD's. Tanks can run through dungeons without popping a single CD and still clear, Healers dont have to dps and can still clear, and DPS dont have to do anything as long as the other two do their jobs.

[shao32]

You ignore my arguments all the time and cherry pick the rest to put words on my mouth that I didn't say and make a drama with literally everyone that don't like DRK and express his opinion about it since they don't do it like you want it to do it, if you don't like it ignore me, ignore the ppl that piss you off and move on, nobody here likes to argue more that necessary especially if none are going to change his mind so let's move on already this is not healthy for anyone.

[Scremin]

You ignore my arguments all the time and cherry pick the rest to put words on my mouth that I didn't say and make a drama with literally everyone that don't like DRK and express his opinion about it since they don't do it like you want it to do it, if you don't like it ignore me, ignore the ppl that piss you off and move on, nobody here likes to argue more that necessary especially if none are going to change his mind so let's move on already this is not healthy for anyone.

I didn't ignore any argument you made, in fact, I answered each and every single one of them. And I tagged all of them so you couldn't edit it out later . You just ran out of counterarguments and now are saying this bs.
YOU however, only answer what you think will suit you, and conveniently ignore, or pretend you didn't read what you can't answer to, and even contradicts yourself when it's for your benefit. Even the person you tagged a 2018 post. posted things that go against what you said yesterday, and what did you answer? Nothing. Stop. Don't accuse me of being you.
And how could I ignore it when you are literally everywhere saying bs, even in threads talking good things, or even unrelated to the topic?
You can bash DRK all you want, but as long as you do, I can also defend what I think it's wrong, and I happen to think the way you go at demonstrating your unhappiness with the job is utterly wrong, entitled, and condescending of everyone else that likes it, so I will go against it.