What have you done?

[Freyyy]

MP is harder to generate, but we barely have anything to spend it on. As long as you keep at least 6,000 MP in reserve you can basically spam whatever you want when it comes to the shadow moves and still easily have enough to use TBN when necessary. We basically have nothing to manage anymore other than dark side which it ridiculously easy to keep up. One combo, nothing to manage, a shallow tool kit, I’m just not seeing the complexity you’re referring to.

Keeping 6000 MP in order to use EoS/FoS and still having enough for TBN in case of a need is MP management. HW was very close to that. You usually kept enough MP so that your next DA use wouldn't put you at risk of losing Darkside because 0 MP. Also, you can hardly "spam" anything with 6000MP. You use Edge then TBN, it's not spamming. Hell, even using Edge twice in a row isn't spamming. Do you know what spamming is ? Delirium/Inner Release/Requiescat windows.

I think that keeping Darkside wasn't intended to be a deep mechanic to begin with in ShB. They just reverted it back to HW's state but in a different way. In SB you didn't have to think about Darkside at all, it was just toggle and forget. In HW you used to have to not brainlessly use your MP to prevent going down to near 0 and losing Darkside due to MP drain. Now Darkside still costs MP, but instead of being over time, it's kept up when you actively use an MP-costing ability to do so. So instead of having to prevent MP going down to 0, you now have to prevent having the specific Darkside timer going down to 0, using MP to do so. Both are easy and not deep. Both are just about using MP correctly. Did it need that fancy new gauge timer ? No, I agree.

[TheForce]

I’ve heard that Paladin is in a far better state right now and while it’s tempting to switch I just don’t have the energy or enthusiasm to level my Paladin again (sitting at 54 since HW). If this is the route the game will be taking (and potentially doubling down on it) I’m not sure I want to stick around anymore which makes me sad because I’ve been subbed for over three straight years and never once doubted the game.

You on Crystal? I can tag along with you as you're leveling and hopefully that'll make things more enjoyable.

[Scremin]

Lol, hold on. I had to read this a second time.

So, you're glad they got rid of Dark Arts because you needed to spam it, but you're also glad you only have one single target combo now that you're forced to spam? What are you even talking about dude.

If you were remotely decent, you already were spamming one single combo then, unless you actually used power slash, and considered that "decision making"

And yet here we are still spamming 1-2-3 just without DA. Instead of giving something interesting to do Square instead doubled down on the boring design. MP management was way easier than it was in HW sure, but you still had to be careful about what you were spamming as it was still easy to bottom out your magic. Killing our haste buff with blood weapon was also a terrible idea.

MP is harder to generate, but we barely have anything to spend it on. As long as you keep at least 6,000 MP in reserve you can basically spam whatever you want when it comes to the shadow moves and still easily have enough to use TBN when necessary. We basically have nothing to manage anymore other than dark side which it ridiculously easy to keep up. One combo, nothing to manage, a shallow tool kit, I’m just not seeing the complexity you’re referring to.

First, don't double post, second, oh my god, aren't you a little overdramatic over changes? Before you spammed 1-2-3 while weaving DA, now you spam 1-2-3 while weaving Flood/Edge of Darkness/Shadow... what's so different from DA? Roughly the same cost, and more potency, because let's face it, DA was just something to buff an attack for 140 potency, nothing more, no nuance, no decision making, you had MP, you used DA for the potency gain, simple as that. Let's not forget the other cds, C&S, AD, let alone BS. So while you are doing your 1-2-3 combo there's always something coming off cooldown to use. And please don't comment on blood weapon speed buff, it wasn't that great to begin with, will we miss it? Yes we will, but not that bad.

So while you claim it's boring you to tears, then you are either A: doing it wrong, or B: DRK is not the job for you anymore, probably never was, you put too much value in your ilusion of decision making. You want more combos? Well there's GNB and PLD for that, i like the OGCD style of DRK more.

So please stop calling it shallow? While it doesn't work for you, clearly is working for a lot of people, and your dramatic attitude over changes is really annoying at the very least.

[shao32]

Lady's and gentlemen's we can't express our personal opinions anymore, please ignore what they said and don't be afraid of express yourself without being rude have fun ^^

[Scremin]

Lady's and gentlemen's we can't express our personal opinions anymore, please ignore what they said and don't be afraid of express yourself without being rude have fun ^^

Oh please, we went over this already yesterday have we not? You just ran out of arguments. You can express them yes, but not call it bad or shallow everyday on everythread, like you do, it's annoying, even in threads where the op just says he likes the damn thing you have to take all that negativity of yours there, I'm fed up with it. At this point you are almost a troll....

[EpicOverlord85]

First, don't double post, second, oh my god, aren't you a little overdramatic over changes? Before you spammed 1-2-3 while weaving DA, now you spam 1-2-3 while weaving Flood/Edge of Darkness/Shadow... what's so different from DA? Roughly the same cost, and more potency, because let's face it, DA was just something to buff an attack for 140 potency, nothing more, no nuance, no decision making, you had MP, you used DA for the potency gain, simple as that. Let's not forget the other cds, C&S, AD, let alone BS. So while you are doing your 1-2-3 combo there's always something coming off cooldown to use. And please don't comment on blood weapon speed buff, it wasn't that great to begin with, will we miss it? Yes we will, but not that bad.

So while you claim it's boring you to tears, then you are either A: doing it wrong, or B: DRK is not the job for you anymore, probably never was, you put too much value in your ilusion of decision making. You want more combos? Well there's GNB and PLD for that, i like the OGCD style of DRK more.

So please stop calling it shallow? While it doesn't work for you, clearly is working for a lot of people, and your dramatic attitude over changes is really annoying at the very least.

When did I double post? Just responding to people, forgot about the quote bit as it’s been a while. Also over dramatic? I calmly laid out the problems I see with the new design how I preferred some of the older iterations, if that’s all it take to set you off I think you have bigger problems than myself. Then again it seems you’ve been quite antagonistic others from the get go so I can’t say I’m too surprised sadly.

You’re right it isn’t different which is exactly why I have a problem with it. They replaced a boring mechanic that let you choose things to buff with a boring mechanic that lets you do more damage. Also I will comment on the blood weapons speed buff being removed because I liked the speed it brought to the class during boss fights. Will I miss it? Yes, very much so.

How am I doing it wrong? How can I possibly do “1-2-3 while keeping dark side up” wrong? And yes I’ve been maining DRK since HW so It must have never had a job for me. Cant believe you’re actually trying to imply that I had no interest in the job after I played it for four years just because I don’t like the new iteration, christ and you called me dramatic.

Nope. I feel it’s a shallow gameplay change and will call it out as such. Don’t like me saying it? Oh well. And guess what? There are also of old DRK mains that don’t like the changes so I guess that evens that out huh?

[EpicOverlord85]

You on Crystal? I can tag along with you as you're leveling and hopefully that'll make things more enjoyable.

Jenova sadly, but thanks for the invite!

[EpicOverlord85]

Oh please, we went over this already yesterday have we not? You just ran out of arguments. You can express them yes, but not call it bad or shallow everyday on everythread, like you do, it's annoying, even in threads where the op just says he likes the damn thing you have to take all that negativity of yours there, I'm fed up with it. At this point you are almost a troll....

Says the guy picking fights with everyone. I think everyone just needs to calm down, relax, and return to having a civil discussion regardless of which side they are on.

[Scremin]

When did I double post? Just responding to people, forgot about the quote bit as it’s been a while. Also over dramatic? I calmly laid out the problems I see with the new design how I preferred some of the older iterations, if that’s all it take to set you off I think you have bigger problems than myself. Then again it seems you’ve been quite antagonistic others from the get go so I can’t say I’m too surprised sadly.

You’re right it isn’t different which is exactly why I have a problem with it. They replaced a boring mechanic that let you choose things to buff with a boring mechanic that lets you do more damage. Also I will comment on the blood weapons speed buff being removed because I liked the speed it brought to the class during boss fights. Will I miss it? Yes, very much so.

How am I doing it wrong? How can I possibly do “1-2-3 while keeping dark side up” wrong? And yes I’ve been maining DRK since HW so It must have never had a job for me. Cant believe you’re actually trying to imply that I had no interest in the job after I played it for four years just because I don’t like the new iteration, christ and you called me dramatic.

Nope. I feel it’s a shallow gameplay change and will call it out as such. Don’t like me saying it? Oh well. And guess what? There are also of old DRK mains that don’t like the changes so I guess that evens that out huh?

Again, stop with your overdramatic crap. I'm one of those "old DRK mains", been here since HW, and i like those changes a lot, so you can stop with that gatekeeping. And you can tell, as you yourself said, that you see others as well having fun with it. It just didn't clik for you... YOU!
It's not shallow, you just don't like it, and are throwing a dramatic tantrum, because let's see the words you used: struggling to even play the game, don't have the energy left, I might not stick around on the game over it... Don't tell me that's not overdramatic.
Well then leave already. all you do is complain, and while you claim DRK lost it's "complexity", you also claim:

Yet we still have Living Dead and it’s still useless as ever.

Wich makes one wonder how much do you really know about the job in the first place? Is it a good cooldown? Nope, now is it useless? Hell no, can cheese a lot of mechanics with it. It's very, very far from being useless.

Says the guy picking fights with everyone. I think everyone just needs to calm down, relax, and return to having a civil discussion regardless of which side they are on.

Well it's not just me refuting all those complains. Of that I can assure you. However I do agree everyone should calm down, both sides, and stop spamming the forums.

[TheForce]

If you were remotely decent, you already were spamming one single combo then, unless you actually used power slash, and considered that "decision making"

Lol...you again huh. The guy who pretends to be so righteous but attacks everybody he disagrees with, while lecturing us and telling us to not do that all while saying how our opinions don't matter lol, and we should just stop talking about issues.Then you even tried to lie and say I'm not having actual discussions about DRK when you can literally go and read them right now in my post history. You can respond to this message if you want but just know after I send this I'm not gonna waste any more time with you.

You said I had a big ego or you called me a narcissist yesterday right? Yet here you are on nearly every single post in this section of the forum acting as if you're mighter than thou and talking down to people. Don't you dare sit there and try to falsely accuse other people of that nonsense, especially when that's exactly the type of person you've revealed yourself to be. I mean just look at this, "If you were remotely decent.." dude close your mouth already lol, who do you think you are?
Sit down.

It's even funnier because you kinda had to use Power Slash combo, even if it was just a handful of times. You're making it seem like one should have neverrr used it...I mean, that's just plain wrong, as a Tank you kind of need to have aggro. And even if you didn't use it all that much, it was still there. You still had the option to use it. You mockingly say that having Power Slash is decision making, but...it was. Albeit not the greatest, but at least there was something else to do if I ever got tired of spamming one combo over and over.


Being completely forced to spam Souleater now just feels bad. It's not fun, and it's next level repetitive. 4.0's setup wasnt peefect either, but at least it had something more. Regardless of that though, no matter how bad 4.0 was, it still doesn't excuse the Souleater spamming in 5.0. No matter how you try to twist this to prove your point, having only one combo and less options than before is not a good thing. The other tanks have this figured out, it's only DRK that's lacking there. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to justify lack of choice and spammy gameplay, I'm starting to think it's because you're just so desperate to be right and can't admit when you're wrong lol. But to be frank with you, I really don't care. After reading some of the posts and rants you've made on here these past couple days, I'm not even gonna try to understand you tbh. You honestly just seem like such a unreasonable person.