What have you done?

[shao32]

I didn't run out of arguments I just get tired of playing volleyball with you.
Again you just read what you want, nedkel say we get what we ask and I give him proof that this version of DRK is wasn't what we ask, I don't care what is lyth opinion now BCS that wasn't the point but looks like it was a point in your imagination, despite of that I respect lyth opinion now.

So im going to say how this will be, im not gonna change bcs I still consider DRK need several tweaks to make it properly fun and I will still respectfully complaint until SE do it bcs I love DRK and I don't care if you like that or not since I'm going to ignore you now excep you start spreading false info like many that claim they like the job did all this days, so bye bye sir.

[Scremin]

I didn't run out of arguments I just get tired of playing volleyball with you.
Again you just read what you want, nedkel say we get what we ask and I give him proof that this version of DRK is wasn't what we ask, I don't care what is lyth opinion now BCS that wasn't the point but looks like it was a point in your imagination, despite of that I respect lyth opinion now.

So im going to see you how this will be, im not gonna change bcs I still consider DRK need several tweaks to make it properly fun and I will still respectfully complaint until SE do it bcs I love DRK and I don't care if you like that or not since I'm going to ignore you now excep you start spreading false info like many that claim they like the job did all this day, so bye bye sir.

Yes you ran out of arguments, it's clear as day.

You link a post to prove your point, with "proof", then claim it wasn't your point, and you don't care about that same poster opinion anymore? Oh my god am I discussing with a child???

No one is spreading false info, we are just saying why we like the job. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not the job problem. The one spreading shit, bs and negativity, claiming it to be some "precious opinion", is you and the few others like you. And I'm gonna talk you down everytime i see you spilling your bs that the job is broken anywhere. Since you have the right to say crap, I also have the right to defend whatever i see fit

[Barachim]

Gotta side with the ones not liking the Dark Knight changes. Since the release of Dark Knight, it was my go to Tank. I played Warrior and Paladin as well, but Dark Knight was always my favorite. I heard a lot of complaints about the Job in the past, but rarely ever cared about any of them. I was never a number cruncher, never will be. All that mattered to me was that the Job was fun to play. Mitigation might not have been optimal, it might not have been a beast like the Warrior, Blood Price was nerfed to oblivion (ok, that one bothered me >_< ), but to me, the Job was still fun to play. I always stuck with it and never wavered. But now... now I am contemplating switching to Gunbreaker, because Dark Knight ceased to be fun. It's a viable Tank, but it now feels boring, and that's the worst thing you can do to a Job.

[EpicOverlord85]

When you start a phrase with: not to be rude, guess what, you are gonna be rude, let the dude have his fun?



Yes, the moment you try to use how long you play the job to win an argument, it IS gatekeeping, because it's basically saying your opinion have more weight that those that started the job later, wich it doesn't, at all.



"Multitude of topics" lol. Just stop, there's plenty of people refuting the overdramatic ones like yourself, and then there's the constructive criticisms in those posts that people doesn't refute, you know why? Because they don't go saying: DRK is bad, is broken, no reason to play it blabla. Instead give actual criticisms while not looking at a job that never was, like you do. Please, aggro management a thing? God.
And also, putting it the same way as you do, there's also a "multitude of topics" and "multitude of posts" that refute basically everything you complain about.



Oh i did explain it, I really did, you just don't like it, thats all there is to it! Doesn't mean is shallow. You say you also didn't like SB DRK, then what did you like about HW one?
Because ShB is closer to HW than SB ever was. But really it's not my job to teach you how to actually try and have fun with a job.

Your personal preference =!= the job actually being bad, because if it was, there wouldn't be people having fun with it. And don't go again on that: old school DRK players, because there are plenty of those as well.



Yes you are overdramatic, you can be disappointed all you want, but that's your own problem for not liking it. The moment you go to a forum calling certain jobs bad, boring, or poor design gameplay, you should expect to get some heat back from players that like those very jobs you call bad. I'm sorry for defending a job I like and also play for years from someone who is blatantly saying it sucks, while using arguments that make no real sense, with some REAL rose tinted glasses on. Next timego to a forum and say you don't like x for y, instead of saying x and y sucks, and you will have way less people talking back.



I'm not gonna even... Need rework? it's not even a priority... Living Dead works just fine. I don't like it, but it does it's job just fine, what are you even on about?

You know I tried to have a civil discussion with you, but looking at our little back and forth it’s become increasingly obvious you have no interest in that. Do as you will as far as this thread is concerned, but I won’t be responding to you anymore. There’s no point in me trying to reason with a brick wall.

[EpicOverlord85]

Gotta side with the ones not liking the Dark Knight changes. Since the release of Dark Knight, it was my go to Tank. I played Warrior and Paladin as well, but Dark Knight was always my favorite. I heard a lot of complaints about the Job in the past, but rarely ever cared about any of them. I was never a number cruncher, never will be. All that mattered to me was that the Job was fun to play. Mitigation might not have been optimal, it might not have been a beast like the Warrior, Blood Price was nerfed to oblivion (ok, that one bothered me >_< ), but to me, the Job was still fun to play. I always stuck with it and never wavered. But now... now I am contemplating switching to Gunbreaker, because Dark Knight ceased to be fun. It's a viable Tank, but it now feels boring, and that's the worst thing you can do to a Job.

And this is where I am so I know exactly how you feel dude. I just hope Sqaure adds something to spice it up.

[Scremin]

You know I tried to have a civil discussion with you, but looking at our little back and forth it’s become increasingly obvious you have no interest in that. Do as you will as far as this thread is concerned, but I won’t be responding to you anymore. There’s no point in me trying to reason with a brick wall.

Don't hide behind that trying to be civil argument, you are condescending, and passive agressive towards anyone that has an different opinion than you, get out of your high horse.

Also, aren't YOU the thick headed brick wall? Trying to enforce your dramatic opinions about how bad and broken the classes are so hard, that everyone else is wrong? Please, if you can't take a heated discussion, don't start one. I'm not the one calling you names Not untill now at least

[Mistyregions]

Who has 3 buttons to press raise your hands? Because I have 12 I have to press in a specific time window to maximize my job.

Who is only using 3 butto.....OOO nvm I see what's going on here is not the class changes, it's the player inability!

[shao32]

Who has 3 buttons to press raise your hands? Because I have 12 I have to press in a specific time window to maximize my job.

Who is only using 3 butto.....OOO nvm I see what's going on here is not the class changes, it's the player inability!

It's not a question of how many buttons you press, is how often you do it and DRK spend 80% of the time pressing the same 123 combo with a casual bloodspiller and edge/cns/ad waiting to spam bloodspiller.

[Scremin]

Same stuff as other 575647 posts.

He is contradicting himself again, changing points again, to pursue his agenda, don't waste your time trying to explain anything to him, as it was explained to death already

Who has 3 buttons to press raise your hands? Because I have 12 I have to press in a specific time window to maximize my job.

Who is only using 3 butto.....OOO nvm I see what's going on here is not the class changes, it's the player inability!

My thoughts exactly

[Lambdafish]

The best time I ever had as a tank was the beginning of 4.0 where holding hate was actually hard and you had to think about controlling your enmity. We had new tools like shirk that helped out and enmity management was actually interesting. Then people cried and the dreaded sentence "Enmity output has been increased" appeared in the patch notes and it had been brain-dead ever since