What have you done?

[RyuDragnier]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

Back in SB, we did the same thing with DRK. The enmity combo was pretty much used maybe twice a raid fight, and we only spammed the Souleater combo while using Dark Arts (I shudder thinking of that nightmare) constantly. Take DA out of the equation, and we were doing the same thing then as we are now.

[silentwindfr]

Back in SB, we did the same thing with DRK. The enmity combo was pretty much used maybe twice a raid fight, and we only spammed the Souleater combo while using Dark Arts (I shudder thinking of that nightmare) constantly. Take DA out of the equation, and we were doing the same thing then as we are now.

same, the enmity combo of the dark knight for me in SB was only used when my enmity was too low.... generally i was only using the other combo... my mp was never a trouble, actually i was burning soo much mp that i was thinking i was a blm at some point.

i can talk about paladin 80 (because i have it) honestly the paladin feel very good, my only grips is the fact that i end to spam holy spirit and attonement a bit too much....
i do have 2 aoe combo (one with the two melee skill and one with recquisat) and i still try to figure a good way to manage a good solo cycle.

[EpicOverlord85]

We’re still spamming Soul Eater, yes, but with the caveat of having even less to do. 1-2-3 and keep dark side up, that’s Dark Knight now. Why not give us something more interesting to do like we’ve been asking for years? Why not rework the power slash combo into something more useful? Why double down on soul eater and not add anything else other than Edge and Flood?

[TheForce]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

Spot on. I agree 100%...man, this whole situation is just a bummer.

Have you tried out PLD yet? It's pretty fun and has now become my new main after what SE did to DRK. I was honestly close to quitting the game too man but giving PLD a shot saved everything.

[EpicOverlord85]

I’ve heard that Paladin is in a far better state right now and while it’s tempting to switch I just don’t have the energy or enthusiasm to level my Paladin again (sitting at 54 since HW). If this is the route the game will be taking (and potentially doubling down on it) I’m not sure I want to stick around anymore which makes me sad because I’ve been subbed for over three straight years and never once doubted the game.

[shao32]

I’ve heard that Paladin is in a far better state right now and while it’s tempting to switch I just don’t have the energy or enthusiasm to level my Paladin again (sitting at 54 since HW). If this is the route the game will be taking (and potentially doubling down on it) I’m not sure I want to stick around anymore which makes me sad because I’ve been subbed for over three straight years and never once doubted the game.

PLD and WAR evolved and are more fun now, PLD specially get some extra mechanics that looks pretty interesting and they reduce the cast time of holy spirit so it will be more smooth.
GNB on the other hand have a nice rotation and feels pretty rewarding to play at the same time busy with minimum downtimes, it's a good alternative if you like old DRK.

Btw you can edit you first post to ignore the initial limit.

[Scremin]

Lol, hold on. I had to read this a second time.

So, you're glad they got rid of Dark Arts because you needed to spam it, but you're also glad you only have one single target combo now that you're forced to spam? What are you even talking about dude.

If you were remotely decent, you already were spamming one single combo then, unless you actually used power slash, and considered that "decision making"

And yet here we are still spamming 1-2-3 just without DA. Instead of giving something interesting to do Square instead doubled down on the boring design. MP management was way easier than it was in HW sure, but you still had to be careful about what you were spamming as it was still easy to bottom out your magic. Killing our haste buff with blood weapon was also a terrible idea.

MP is harder to generate, but we barely have anything to spend it on. As long as you keep at least 6,000 MP in reserve you can basically spam whatever you want when it comes to the shadow moves and still easily have enough to use TBN when necessary. We basically have nothing to manage anymore other than dark side which it ridiculously easy to keep up. One combo, nothing to manage, a shallow tool kit, I’m just not seeing the complexity you’re referring to.

First, don't double post, second, oh my god, aren't you a little overdramatic over changes? Before you spammed 1-2-3 while weaving DA, now you spam 1-2-3 while weaving Flood/Edge of Darkness/Shadow... what's so different from DA? Roughly the same cost, and more potency, because let's face it, DA was just something to buff an attack for 140 potency, nothing more, no nuance, no decision making, you had MP, you used DA for the potency gain, simple as that. Let's not forget the other cds, C&S, AD, let alone BS. So while you are doing your 1-2-3 combo there's always something coming off cooldown to use. And please don't comment on blood weapon speed buff, it wasn't that great to begin with, will we miss it? Yes we will, but not that bad.

So while you claim it's boring you to tears, then you are either A: doing it wrong, or B: DRK is not the job for you anymore, probably never was, you put too much value in your ilusion of decision making. You want more combos? Well there's GNB and PLD for that, i like the OGCD style of DRK more.

So please stop calling it shallow? While it doesn't work for you, clearly is working for a lot of people, and your dramatic attitude over changes is really annoying at the very least.

[shao32]

Lady's and gentlemen's we can't express our personal opinions anymore, please ignore what they said and don't be afraid of express yourself without being rude have fun ^^

[MoonbemSupreme]

God... this is sounding like WoW players all over again... "What the hell! They changed my class from a super clunky 50 button game to a more manageable 30 button game! Literally unplayable!"

[TheForce]

God... this is sounding like WoW players all over again... "What the hell! They changed my class from a super clunky 50 button game to a more manageable 30 button game! Literally unplayable!"

Sigh, if only it was that simple. But, it's not.