Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[reivaxe]

Yes, yoshi-p has been transparent about the design of the 2 new races but only to a certain extent. The whole ordeal of the hrothgar and not all hair are available for viera were discovered by the playerbase via the benchmark. This thread started because of that and in nowhere did yoshi-p nor the devs said this beforehand so of course people will be worried. Prior to that, we only heard from yoshi-p that claimed that the new races will have a lot of customizations which probably to an average player speculation is au'ra full list of customizations + more. So, i would say yes he was transparent about the design but also he didn't give out enough information on what to expect for the 2 new races.

You're very much splitting hairs here.

They also said that they would have unique head customization. Many took this to mean "more" but that's not the same thing.

This happened after Japan fan festival where the japan community strongly feedback to the devs that they were worried about their mogstation purchased/achievement earned head gears not being able to use on the new races and was hoping the devs are able to do something about it which led to that.

What's your point? My point is that he was clear with telling us their approach to the head gear (Release with ZERO, work on adding some after release) and then he was open about what the devs did behind his back.
He's not taking personal credit for it by making it seem like he made it happen. He also didn't hide the lack of head gear when asked about it.

That's my point ... he has given us zero reason to 2nd guess the truthfulness of his comments about these races.
So him saying that yes, they will be making "more Hrothgar hairstyles and faces after 5.0 hits" shouldn't be seen as some kinda scam or lie or "half truth".
Just like I'm sure we can trust him when he says "NO, we will not be making a child like race or character for players". He has given us no reason to think he would lie about that.

To be honest i don't really care about hrothgar at all. All i did was look at the issue/context and briefly describe to you why people are feeling what they are feeling. Additionally, i don't know why you're accusing me of pushing negativity when i clearly stated that i will adopt a wait and see approach.

And I described to you why what people are displaying is cynicism, not "just being skeptical" but outright refusing to think anything different of the situation's future and completely ignoring objectively good news for no clear reason other than push negativity.

I don't believe I accused you of anything, I straight up referred to things said in other post here (cause that's the topic at hand) to show what I meant by asking the question of "why bother even discussing this if you don't trust the man's words". Mostly used the post as a vehicle to address many post here without systemically replying to everyone.

Like you have described. Meoni gave his opinion. Are people not entitled to an opinion now? All he stated was he personally didn't like how the hrothgar customization function as they are and gave an opinion, anyone can take his opinion and spin it to a different narrative like what you are doing now. It seems to me that you are trying to drive up a narrative where whatever the devs or yoshi-p decided to do is all right/correct and we should keep quiet and appreciate instead of criticizing and giving feedback on what we are expecting with new races.

No, what Meoni did was deliver his opinion as if it was based on facts with out proper understanding of the CC.
Here an example of what he coulda done ...
"Looking at the number of tabs they have they're inline with other males in this game. However they can't change lip color or hairstyle like other males. But to compensate for that they're given the ability to change the color and appearance of large parts of their body at well. I don't personally like this choice so I'm not impressed". Kinda his thing, he does a dry analytical/ objective look at something before giving his personal opinion.

What he did ...
"They're so limited! Why can't I use these tattoos on this other face (That's how it works for all races with tattoos, they are locked to the face)? Why are these spikes considered tattoos and not just a face feature (Not all tattoos look like tattoos. Femroe tats look like chalk for example. They want you to be able to color the spikes which you can't do if it's a face feature)? Why is the horn only on this face and these whiskers only on that face (face features are always locked to faces. Even when they're of the same type like Moles or Scars they appear different on different faces. This is completely normal, the devs just took this chance to give them some extremely unique features that play into the beast look)? All of them are gonna look the same and this shows a clear bias for females (disregards all their unique traits). This is why I play females"

Kinda off brand for him IMO but goes perfectly inline with what I see from people here. A desire to push cynicism instead of actually discussing things.

So yeah, we get our answer ... that being that Hrothgar will get more Hrothgar only hair styles and faces and Viera will get "some" of the shared hair styles. They're treated as a wholey unique race in this way and their hair is tied to their face options. But apparently people arnt allowed to take said answer we got (more hairstyles and faces) as good news?

You'd think such news would spark inquisitive discussion such as "what kinda faces could they be adding?" but no, if you're only interested in spreading pessimism you say things like "How can you take this as good news/ this is no promise/ they didn't do this one unrelated thing before so there's no guarantee they will do this".

The whole point of this thread discussion is because players are trying to feedback to the devs that this is not what they expected nor wanted when new races are implemented into the game.

Feedback? No, this thread was started as a means to discuss their hair.

"In the cases of both races, does this mean extra hairstyles, such as those from potd or mog station outfits, will be unusable?

We need clarification on all of this."

We got clarification. This thread is not a platform to change anything.

[Dalmacus]

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What's your point?

My point is that the 400-500 headgear adjustment to new races were only started when the Japanese community strongly gave feedback to the devs asking them to do something about it. Information, if you find it pointless, each his/her own i guess.

Your negativity will just end up pushing a narrative that they are bad/ poorly done/ a waste to people who don't bother to put thought into things.

Maybe you should read your own statement before refuting me.

No, what Meoni did was deliver his opinion as if it was based on facts with out proper understanding of the CC.

He literally said in his video "A lot of people might get the wrong impression here that i hate the hrothgar for some reason or something with how much i don't like it's creation here and that's simply just not the case, let me set that record straight."
So what you are doing is, spun his opinion to suit your agenda and trying to public slander him here or something? Why are you doing this and what is your motive for doing this? I'm not here to discuss meoni with you so if you have an issue with him please take it up with him so you can understand where he is coming from.

Feedback? No, this thread was started as a means to discuss their hair.
"In the cases of both races, does this mean extra hairstyles, such as those from potd or mog station outfits, will be unusable?
We need clarification on all of this."

I'm pretty sure discussion like these are also feedback for devs.

We got clarification. This thread is not a platform to change anything.

I'm gonna call that fake news. Unless you have an evidence to back that claim. There is no clarification from the devs that those from potd/mogstation will be usable or unusable. All yoshi-p stated was hrothgar will get it's unique customization and viera will get some but not all and in no way did he confirmed that potd/mogstation/achievement hairstyles is confirmed to be included either. I know this because i translated part of the E3 information on reddit.