WHM 5.0 Discussion

[HyperiusUltima]

As much as I understand WHM, I think that the issue regarding the Afflatus Heals is over-rated for the panic it is. I took a step back these past couple weeks and I rethought about the WHY.

Instead of worrying about the past, I looked at the Afflatus set of Heals. They’re basically substitutions for Medica/Cure II except are Instant so that you aren’t clamoring for a Swift during a mechanic. As far as movement goes, WHM should be ok if it’s using Afflatus correctly so it isn’t a direct DPS Loss, but a positive. If you use the Afflatus Heals where you need to heal,it makes it worth it.

[Nihility]

i'm going to level AST second after WHM anyways because of the likely buffs it will get but from what I've been watching and I've watched every video i could find even those without commentary...

While WHM does lack the same level of ogc support as the other healers it seems to be the only healer with the mp management to allow continuous casting for long periods of time which very well could be by design. The only spell that seems to be more or less mp neutral for every job is the basic heal.

Time will tell if patch changes or piety stacking can remedy this for the other two but then again if 2 healers need to stack piety and the third can stack crit/det/speed the personal gap will widen

[Semirhage]

Bafflingly, if the live letter slides are to be believed, there won't even really be "piety stacking". They're removing the ability to meld piety materia even while stating they're making it important to healers. The heck?

[Reiryuu]

As much as I understand WHM, I think that the issue regarding the Afflatus Heals is over-rated for the panic it is. I took a step back these past couple weeks and I rethought about the WHY.

Instead of worrying about the past, I looked at the Afflatus set of Heals. They’re basically substitutions for Medica/Cure II except are Instant so that you aren’t clamoring for a Swift during a mechanic. As far as movement goes, WHM should be ok if it’s using Afflatus correctly so it isn’t a direct DPS Loss, but a positive. If you use the Afflatus Heals where you need to heal,it makes it worth it.

The problem with that is, if you think of it as something to use for an emergency situation, you're losing out. You get one lily every 30 seconds in combat, right? So if you're saving lilies for situations where you're needing to move and heal quickly, you're delaying Misery which already requires 90 seconds of being in combat + 4GCDs to use. If you're not saving them, you're still going to have to swiftcast medica in those situations because if you're panicked enough to need that heal now, you probably didn't plan for it. Either situation still makes Misery a damage loss. It's a mild compensation at best since it costs 4 global cooldowns to cast.

[fantasticm]

Bafflingly, if the live letter slides are to be believed, there won't even really be "piety stacking". They're removing the ability to meld piety materia even while stating they're making it important to healers. The heck?

Whatever they were smoking when they made these changes - I want some.

[reckless76]

These things aren't usually obvious to me, but the issues here seem pretty d@mn obvious. And while I'm sure it's been covered extensively in the preceding 10 pages, I'll just add my voice to the wind.
The afflatus spells clearly need to be oGCD. And for that matter there should be something like 'Afflatus Thorn' an instant cast dps spell that one could use in place of the healing versions. That would have been enough, and I would have been happy.
Also, isn't temperance just Largesse and Protect rolled into one skill with too long a cool down?

[fantasticm]

And while I'm sure it's been covered extensively in the preceding 10 pages, I'll just add my voice to the wind.The afflatus spells clearly need to be oGCD.

Absolutely. It would be a simple enough adjustment to make, and wouldn't break the game by turning WHM into some near-perfect new God. It makes a lot of sense! So of course it's never going to happen.

Also, isn't temperance just Largesse and Protect rolled into one skill with too long a cool down?

Yeah, if SE had spared more than a meeting over lunch for WHM they might've seen the mercy in giving back Divine Seal as it used to be, and maybe let us keep protect as it exists currently in PvP. Temperance could just be 'the other option' or something else entirely.

[Mansion]

The problem with that is, if you think of it as something to use for an emergency situation, you're losing out. You get one lily every 30 seconds in combat, right? So if you're saving lilies for situations where you're needing to move and heal quickly, you're delaying Misery which already requires 90 seconds of being in combat + 4GCDs to use. If you're not saving them, you're still going to have to swiftcast medica in those situations because if you're panicked enough to need that heal now, you probably didn't plan for it. Either situation still makes Misery a damage loss. It's a mild compensation at best since it costs 4 global cooldowns to cast.

I'll add to this that current oGCDs from WHM already do the job. We don't have a clear idea of healing requirements and potency calculation so we must keep that in mind but:

Single target scenario,
- Every minute you have 700 potency Tetragrammaton
- Every 30 seconds you have a 500 potency Divine Benison.
(- Benediction every 3 minutes.)
Plus Regen is "buffed" in the sense that instead of 150 potency over 21 seconds (1 050 pot) you have 200 in 18 seconds (1 200 pot)
And... well you have a co-healer likely to have excog, Fae Union, Essential Dignity etc.
The use of a 700 potency free and instant cure every 30 seconds is kinda redundant, unless there is HEAVY and sustained mono-target damage.

AoE Scenario,
- Every minute you have an added 200 potency to a GCD heal thanks to Plenary
- Every minute you have a 400 potency Assize.
Plus Medica II being shorter with added potency is a slight buff because you only need 15 seconds to get the full effect instead of 30 seconds. So this used with Plenary is 400 heal potency and 1 500 Hot under 15 sconds, a total of 1 900 pot heal every minute (but you can cast another Medica II without Plenary if needed)
And you have a co heal.
What's the use of a 300 potency GCD heal every 30 seconds in that context, unless there is something like 4 back to back "heartless angel / White hole" attacks ?

And I forgot Asylum which can be used in any scenario for extra Regen potency.

While having a GCD instant DPS spell using the Lilies would avoid forcing overheal to access Misery. And it would be another clipping solution outside of Dia and Regen.

[Ilenya]

While having a GCD instant DPS spell using the Lilies would avoid forcing overheal to access Misery. And it would be another clipping solution outside of Dia and Regen.

Unfortunately, with the removal of Energy Drain and Lord (I think?), SE has plainly made it known that they will *not* be letting healers use our basic mechanics for DPSing. There's almost no chance to have a normal Lily DPS skill, though if any of the healers *did* get one, I feel like WHM would, since they are supposed to be the more pDPS healer rather than the rDPS healer.

[Hunky]

These things aren't usually obvious to me, but the issues here seem pretty d@mn obvious. And while I'm sure it's been covered extensively in the preceding 10 pages, I'll just add my voice to the wind.
The afflatus spells clearly need to be oGCD. And for that matter there should be something like 'Afflatus Thorn' an instant cast dps spell that one could use in place of the healing versions. That would have been enough, and I would have been happy.
Also, isn't temperance just Largesse and Protect rolled into one skill with too long a cool down?

I like your ideas! I totally agree.

I'd add an AOE Afflatus spell too. Call it "Afflatus Brier Patch". Of course, it would have to have a lower potency than Afflatus Misery, but higher than the new Holy (with no fall-off damage). If they want to stick to the more divine theme, they can just call them something like "Afflatus Agony" and "Afflatus Torment".