Shadowbringers RDM Wishlist

[Jonnycbad]

If cross-role skills are being removed (which some leaks are hinting at, if true), then all jobs will be getting the cross-role skills/effects re-baked back into their kits (ala pre-4.0), e.g. MCH gets Promotion back, BRD keeps Refresh, and DNC gets "Refreshing Waltz" etc.d That said, if we lose Lucid Dreaming, we will get MP back some other way, and Displacement could be our enmity cut (albeit way less than 50% cut since its a 30s recast).

[Kalise]

I agree with Kalise, up until "don't put a stun on Corps-a-Corps". At that point you may as well just say "Don't ever give RDM a stun" since they would be just as culpable as the Dragoons and Monks in any failure to interrupt, and you'd have exactly the same issues from putting a stun on Displacement.

That's not the same though.

Failure to interrupt caused by DRG/MNK is because they use stuns on CD for DPS - Riddle of Wind and Spineshatter Dive are used basically on CD for the resources they provide and damage associated with them. This causes Stun DR to build up and thus means that I (As a Tank) cannot interrupt skills with half of my available interrupt skills because "Fully Resisted" happens instead of a Stun.

Red Mage simply having a Stun wouldn't provide the same issue.

Corps-a-Corps having a stun WOULD, because it would still often be used to simply get in range to do melee combos.

Displacement having a stun wouldn't necessarily cause the same issues, since in the content where stuns are usable, it's not always possible or necessary to jump backwards.

Basically, having Stuns on stuff that a DPS will use frequently in their DPS rotations is a no-no from me. Since it's super annoying to deal with when actually trying to play well in content where certain targets can be stunned to interrupt annoying abilities.

At least... Unless Tanks get a universal interrupt skill that bypasses DR much the same way that Silence does so that this issue with Stuns no longer matters >.>

[Archwizard]

The way I see it is, as a ranged or caster, ultimately you have complete control over what range you're attacking from for most of the fight. The devs' ideal is you stand some distance back and use Corps-a-corps and Displacement to quickly alternate ranges, but at the end of the day you could stand just outside melee range while casting and you have enough GCD freedom and instant casts (stutter-stepping and slide-casting aside) to just run in; hell, in some fights healer prefer such grouping. Lately I've had several instances where I stood fairly close for a good portion of a fight (when I felt comfortable that the tank was in control), Displaced out of melee to avoid attacks and Corps-a-corps'd back to my original spot.

Why do I want to use Displacement? To get out of vulnerable melee range and put distance between myself and my target. Biggest obstacles? Enemies chasing after me, rendering the distance moot in under a second. Solution? Hamstring 'em and turn 'em off chasing me. Not terribly hard to cover in instanced combat since the tank will usually cover me, but near any non-melee CC will help when I don't have one.

Why do I want to use Corps-a-corps? To get in, quickly unleash a melee combo, and get back out. Biggest obstacles? Enemies trying to hit me while I'm close, especially with attacks that interrupt the combo. Solution? Don't let them hit me -- CC lockdown.
Heavy and Bind won't help you at that range; Bind is broken by damage so it's bad to pair with the combo (and your auto-attack) anyway. Slow would have to be pretty significant to matter for the 5-ish seconds you're in melee. Spells are the least of your worries while in melee, and I have yet to see a Silence longer than 1 second anyway.
So you got Stun, Blind, and Pacification, and I dunno which ones are least-resisted, but I can tell outright that Stun is the most applicable to an ideal lockdown maneuver.

[Kalise]

Why do I want to use Displacement? To get out of vulnerable melee range and put distance between myself and my target. Biggest obstacles? Enemies chasing after me, rendering the distance moot in under a second. Solution? Hamstring 'em and turn 'em off chasing me. Not terribly hard to cover in instanced combat since the tank will usually cover me.

Why do I want to use Corps-a-corps? To get in, quickly unleash a melee combo, and get back out. Biggest obstacles? Enemies trying to hit me while I'm close, especially with attacks that interrupt the combo. Solution? Don't let them hit me -- CC lockdown.
So you got Stun, Blind, and Pacification, and I dunno which ones are least-resisted, but I can tell outright that Stun is the most applicable to an ideal lockdown maneuver.

Though, you seem to be looking at things from a "Solo Red Mage vs the World" scenario.

When in reality, the majority of Duty Fantasy XIV is in Duties. Which means you have a Tank (Hopefully) holding aggro. Thus making CC effects on CaC/Displacement redundant (Much like every other CC effect that DPS jobs have. Outside niche situations where things like Leg Sweep/Head Graze/Arm Graze can interrupt an ability - Which is rare in of itself, but also rare to actually have a DPS put these things onto their action bar)

Like, the biggest obstacle with Displacement, isn't "Enemies chasing after you" it's Duty arenas being so small that using it will yeet you off the edge to your death.

Similarly, using CaC, the biggest obstacle isn't "Enemies trying to hit you and need locking down" it's the fact that you're a squishy mage and thus don't have the natural tankiness to deal with mDPS related mechanics (That and well... Most attacks in melee range would simply be the telegraphed ones that you simple walk out of... Annoying when you just wasted your mobility skill but not the biggest deal)

Any "CC" effects would only be notable in solo Overworld/Eureka content or would be minor ways to aid a Tank - Of which, Stun has the highest chance to actually make things worse for a Tank due to Diminishing Returns.

So... Speaking of which... CaC would make the most sense if it gave you a small shield. Not as strong as BLM's Manaward (Especially since Manafication gives CDR on CaC) but a little something so if you do get cleaved, you don't hug the floor. Which would also still be useful for soloing.

Displacement is the skill that has more flexibility, because it has that issue of arenas being too small for its use so it can more easily get away with having niche status effects on it. (Alternatively... Scrap the skill entirely and just make it so Corps-a-Corps has a ~5 second window to reuse the skill and let you backflip to where you originally cast it from, thus bypassing the static distance it moves you being harmful in small arenas and giving RDM an additional button to replace with a new skill instead)

As far as those 3 status effects go...

Blind tends to be resisted the least. Pacification gets resisted by many bosses as well as get put on DR by Paladins using Shield Swipe. While Stuns get resisted the most and are more easily put onto DR (Especially with Monks because Riddle of Wind is literally 2/3 stuns to put the 1 minute of immunity into effect...)

[Archwizard]

Though, you seem to be looking at things from a "Solo Red Mage vs the World" scenario.

When in reality, the majority of Duty Fantasy XIV is in Duties.

Sure. Because within the context, we're discussing replacing the damage value with status-based CC, which is useless or inconsequential in 95% of Duty-based content because they stopped designing duties with enemies who were vulnerable to most of it, so we may as well focus on the scenarios where it's actually of use.

Like, the biggest obstacle with Displacement, isn't "Enemies chasing after you" it's Duty arenas being so small that using it will yeet you off the edge to your death.

And I've already addressed a fix for that separately -- reducing the "yeet" distance and increasing the range from which you can jump away.
But that's all for the sake of making the skill adjustable, not addressing its actual value (ie the reason you press it in the first place). The two are not mutually exclusive.

So... Speaking of which... CaC would make the most sense if it gave you a small shield. Not as strong as BLM's Manaward (Especially since Manafication gives CDR on CaC) but a little something so if you do get cleaved, you don't hug the floor. Which would also still be useful for soloing.

That's a thought I have considered, yes. However, I worry that attaching our defense to CaC would make it a virtual necessity to use it before the melee combo, which rather defeats the point of removing the damage from it. At least with a stun, not only do many enemies resist it but the diminishing returns are exactly a reason to reconsider using it, which would go a long way towards making it optional/"as needed" rather than popping it on cooldown.

Bearing in mind, this is all assuming you have a Monk or Dragoon in the group in the first place, which is a pretty narrow margin if we're talking about Duties where alternating stun-terrupts actually matters as a strategy.
In my experience that's like... one boss in Aurum Vale... and the occasional miniboss...?

I'd rather have us receive an "Oh Shit" button separate from CaC, especially since a lot of scenarios where we'd need an Oh Shit button aren't necessarily limited to melee range. Or even having a target.

[Shurrikhan]

So, quick question then:

Should we just friggin' redo how Diminishing Returns (or, Status Effect Resistance Accumulation) works?


Also,

Like, the biggest obstacle with Displacement, isn't "Enemies chasing after you" it's Duty arenas being so small that using it will yeet you off the edge to your death.

could be fixed by simply having the skill path-check and leap to path-end, up to a given maximum, rather than a fixed distance.

[Mansion]

Like, the biggest obstacle with Displacement, isn't "Enemies chasing after you" it's Duty arenas being so small that using it will yeet you off the edge to your death.

You need to master the VerYeet to truly ascend as a Red Mage:

[VictorTheed]

My wish is that they don't take away our ability to dualcast veraraise, it's not a free Rez forever move, those rez's burn mp quick do it's not like it's infinste rezing.

However I hope they give us a move to regain our mp back besides lucid dreaming and I'd like to see us get more RDM versions of the WHM/BLM moves, I like how were combined of those two jobs

[Mansion]

My wish is that they don't take away our ability to dualcast veraraise, it's not a free Rez forever move, those rez's burn mp quick do it's not like it's infinste rezing.

The thing is, if you want to keep this, you need a balance.
I agree with you, I don't think chain-raising is broken support because it's auto-balanced by mana cost and mana recovery. Yet, that's it, there's not much more to RDM's support as Embolden is not a golden buff.
But RDM's DPS is quite low (like other "support" oriented jobs, SMN being the exception), for instance having a Machinist (clunky as it is) is currently a better option than a RDM. You have a strong mitigation tool every minute, MP and TP recovery, a decent Vuln up on the target that everyone can benefit from, and a higher personal DPS.

So for me there's no reason to keep RDM as it is. Either keep a lower side pDPS but great raid support tools, or higher pDPS and lesser support.

[VictorTheed]

The thing is, if you want to keep this, you need a balance.
I agree with you, I don't think chain-raising is broken support because it's auto-balanced by mana cost and mana recovery. Yet, that's it, there's not much more to RDM's support as Embolden is not a golden buff.
But RDM's DPS is quite low (like other "support" oriented jobs, SMN being the exception), for instance having a Machinist (clunky as it is) is currently a better option than a RDM. You have a strong mitigation tool every minute, MP and TP recovery, a decent Vuln up on the target that everyone can benefit from, and a higher personal DPS.

So for me there's no reason to keep RDM as it is. Either keep a lower side pDPS but great raid support tools, or higher pDPS and lesser support.

I'd say keep it like it is if I had to choose between RDM awesome support or more dps, id like more dps sure, but not at the cost of losing what makes RDM great, but then again I always enjoyed support dps jobs like brd and rdm, that's my fav playstyle.