Shadowbringers RDM Wishlist

[Zyneste]

Problem is, in all but the most edge of cases, using a Reprise for this purpose will waste more potency than it will gain. Riposte is stronger than Reprise by virtue of its recast, and Reprise is weaker than your GCDs on account of its potency.

It seems to me that it goes like this. Wanna delay your Melee combo?

5 seconds: Overcap your Mana. Do Not Reprise.
10 seconds: Moulinet
15 seconds: Riposte

Its silly that a skill that is basically a mana dump, can't function as a positive mana dump, and is instead a mobility tool to only be used after Displace/Corps/Dualcast/Swiftcast has been exhausted.

If I just want to dump 10/10 Mana before I Manafication or spend a Verquick proc, Reprise is there.

When looking at opportunity cost for DPS, you look at what the classes filler spell is. In the case of RDM the filler spell is the combination of Jolt II into VA/VT or VS/VF into VA/VT.

So the average PPS for JII -> VA/VT is: (250 + 310) / 5 = 112.

and the average PPS for JII -> VA/VT is: (270 + 310) / 5 = 116.

Note that these casts do not even include how much the B/W mana are worth.

The PPS of Reprise is: 220/2.2 = 100.

Reprise has less potency than even your filler spell, which means it is in all cases a DPS loss, except when you need ABSOLUTE mobility, beyond the tools described. This will also be exagerated by the the lower natural recast from any SpS, since all weapon skills are not affected. An extreme example as well is that Reprise does the same PPS as Spamming Jolt II if not less from SpS and even less when you consider B/W mana gain. Its that low. Jolt II spam is a better option. [250/2.5 = 100PPS]

This does not even count the 45-80+ potency from the B/W mana. At 300 potency it was in much better shape. A loss still, but not like this.

Using it to dump your gauge before Manafiction to guarantee a proc, by preventing overcap from 50 50 won't be worth it. Youll lose 20 DPS + 3 B/W mana potency (about 40 at max) compared to the 70-110 potency loss from reprise [12*2.2 + 45-80 B/W man].

[Nezia]

Well... Yoshi-p himself presented reprise as being something you'd be using during movement when you couldn't cast anything else... so maybe that's their goal to the skill anyway?

[SaberMaxwell]

Well... Yoshi-p himself presented reprise as being something you'd be using during movement when you couldn't cast anything else... so maybe that's their goal to the skill anyway?

Problem is it's a very niche case where you'll be moving enough that it's not a loss.

[Archwizard]

Indeed. Just look at Scathe - same purpose for BLMs but the damage loss is so significant (being unaspected means it inherits no bonuses from AF or UI) that it's hardly worth it to use, especially during Astral Fire when total MP is finite. Besides that, a mastery of Triplecast and Swiftcast has historically proven sufficient for the same purposes most of the time, and ShB's additions granted them even more instants to push away from Scathe.

In our case we may not have Triplecast, but we do have slide-casting, Dualcast, our existing melee skills, and slightly greater overall mobility than BLM. Reprise was never necessary or even particularly appealing for on-the-go damage for RDMs.

What was appealing was its potential as a means to cheaply dump Mana from a distance that was in danger of overcapping, either due to RNG or plain being unable to reach the boss once you got over 80/80 Mana. But if it's less of a loss now to just overcap your Mana, then we'll never willingly touch it.