New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[SerLuke]

"The world is going to end RIGHT NOW if we don't do something about it but first bring me some eggs from the other side of the world, now come back, oops, I forgot to ask for milk, go back!"
After leaving the game for half a year after I finish ARR"s horrid patches I jumped into HW and fell in love with the game all over again since the story is amazing. ARR's story can use some work, and you know what? I'll forgive ARR's story and I'll go through it again and I will once Hrothgar are released, but the patches? Please tell me that they are condensing them because they are just horrible.

They already confirmed they are going to make some of the ARR MSQ fetch quests into side quests while keeping the main story intact, they said this will probably happen around patch 5.1. I really don't know why this thread is still going on when this is already something Yoshi P confirmed is being worked on but people just want to flood the forums with extra negativity I guess.

[Penthea]

No one is asking for the ARR story to be removed.

Removing the msq requirements for content is just a step away from removing the msq. Which is what some are asking for.

[Anselmet]

I, too, would like sources for the percentages they bring forth because I'd like to look through them, but you can at least have the common decency to ask for sources instead of telling them to shut up lmao

If you are expecting anything logical out of her, I wouldn't bother. As for some statistics its not hard to find honestly. Just a quick google search and I found a reddit discussing the low amount of people clearing and engaging in sigmascape savage. Here is the chart breaking it down per server. The last column is the percentage per server who cleared.

[Physic]

If you are expecting anything logical out of her, I wouldn't bother. As for some statistics its not hard to find honestly. Just a quick google search and I found a reddit discussing the low amount of people clearing and engaging in sigmascape savage. Here is the chart breaking it down per server. The last column is the percentage per server who cleared.

uhh, the point isnt that everyone wants to do savage, the point is players want to level up, go on adventures, get gear, fight bosses. You know, the things most players spend way more time doing than msq. The game has been out for 6 years, msq is probably 100-150 hours of content tops. That means all the other playtime is not msq, and probably something players like doing.

[Anselmet]

uhh, the point isnt that everyone wants to do savage, the point is players want to level up, go on adventures, get gear, fight bosses. You know, the things most players spend way more time doing than msq. The game has been out for 6 years, msq is probably 100-150 hours of content tops. That means all the other playtime is not msq, and probably something players like doing.

And that isn't what I am talking about in my post? Go reread the past few pages its really obvious if you read Emmanellain's and Wynn's posts.

[Aurelius2625]

You can go on:
Adventures
Fight Bosses
Level up

as you PROGRESS THROUGH THE MSQ. Not that hard. Again, if you come into an MMO late, you miss the early content for the first time and get the watered down version. It's not the end of the world. Deal with it.

Seriously. The entitlement is strong with some here. If you want to do Shadowbringers as it comes out, log on, level up like crazy. It's not the most difficult thing in the world to get a character to 70, and with the 900 genesis per week, you can get really good gear, run the alliance raids, farm the coins, and have a FULL 400 set for the expansion. Hell, just by running Orbonne you get 390. So at most it will not take that long. You even get an exp boosting item for preordering shadowbringers. Like...Jesus christ people.

I'm not salty about missing out on Creator, I chose to join the game midway through it. It's like being mad that you can't fight the final boss because you haven't done the tutorial of a game. "Waaaaa, I wanna fight Gwyn, Lord of Cinder!", "Okay, but first you need to fight Taurus Demon." "Waaaaaaaaa no! I wanna fight him RIGHT NOW!"

Essentially, that's everyone wanting it the easy way.

[LaurieB]

I understand that some people don't like some parts of ARR but you know in representation all the friends I've brought to the game and I'll admit, we are an older crowd, some never playing games before, some like me playing since the mid 80's, but minus a few quests our love of the story part and game itself, crafting, side quests, dungeons, trials, made some of the short comings passable. Now...if your going to give a free "jump" potion which now costs 25.00, to each person that buys the game, what about people that will never use that jump potion nor want to. Is there some type of alternative reward type item in buying that game that would equal 25.00? Like a mount or something? I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying as many examples as people give of one playstyle and experience there are that many that are opposite experiences, such as ours. (my group of friends and I)

[Bebekurenai]

As a new player, what need is there exactly to be up to date with "relevant" content? If i start a brand new game lets say, in wow, i would never expect to be up to date directly with latest content? How exactly do you expect this with a game that's at least 5 years old?
This mentality of jumping in a new game and expect to be max level in a day without effort and able to join latest content is so out of place... Having even duty finder where you can complete anything without effort, jump potions, party finder unsync and all that is still not enough... Omg i have to grind and go through story to access expansion?? Unthinkable!! I dont care who those ppl in this cs are but i demand to skip it anyways!

[Penthea]

As a new player, what need is there exactly to be up to date with "relevant" content? If i start a brand new game lets say, in wow, i would never expect to be up to date directly with latest content? How exactly do you expect this with a game that's at least 5 years old?
This mentality of jumping in a new game and expect to be max level in a day without effort and able to join latest content is so out of place... Having even duty finder where you can complete anything without effort, jump potions, party finder unsync and all that is still not enough... Omg i have to grind and go through story to access expansion?? Unthinkable!! I dont care who those ppl in this cs are but i demand to skip it anyways!

Imagine wanting to play a game so much that you don't want to play most of it.

[Aurelius2625]

It's really a bizarre phenomenon that people purchase a game... but then do NOT want to PLAY that game. Like, can you imagine this in any other era of gaming? People were forced to go through the game from the beginning each time they began a save file. The juicy good parts were spaced throughout the game, to give you rewards and encouragement to keep playing, in a gameplay loop. You can't have every moment of a game be as good as Aerith dying in FF7, or fighting Kefka, or any other huge moment in a game. A LOT of games have a grind in them, people don't ask to skip all of that.

What about in Super Smash Ultimate? There's no "Bypass all unlocks and get everything" button. You have to progress through the game and get the unlocks.