New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Anselmet]

Also, the issue isn't how easy the MSQ fights are, it's how long and unrelated/pointless a good number of the quests are. It can be a huge turn off for a new player who is excited to play for <whatever reason>, and then find out they can't do a good portion of until until they spend 100+ hours doing mandatory missions.

Setting ARR aside bc both sides can agree that its a mess that needs to be worked (not to mention devs have mentioned they are in the process of fixing it) what parts of hw and sb are unrelated/pointless? How much of it is just bloat? Because if we place ARR aside I think you are wrong. These two expansions have very forward momentum quests and hardly any fetch quests unless they make sense. And its safe to assume ShB will follow suit if not follow the trend of being more streamlined and less fetch quests.

[Shougun]

I think the thread hit its last legs since now it's been many pages about people not caring to see another person's own value system in the game. I understand some concerns like "don't change how the story is delivered to me, I love it that way" (fair enough man, that changes the game for you) but there is a lot of "I play the game this way and I don't care you play it another way even if it wont affect me, suck it up cry baby".

Maybe we'd get more out of a new thread focused on a particular solution or even a different title may help lol (I imagine some people are like "What the new player experience was AWESOME for me, how could you say that like that?" and so they are here to defend that in part at least).

It's really a bizarre phenomenon that people purchase a game... but then do NOT want to PLAY that game.

Though that's a huge simplification of many (perhaps not all) of the possible people seeking value from a possible solution. I know some people who just craft, so how dare they only play like 5% of the game's content right?

MSQ is obviously more content than crafting but I would argue doesn't make up the majority of your time if you keep playing regularly after you finish the story (if you stop then obviously it does lol). Also it is very fair, imo, to say some stories interest people and others don't (a minor example would be I may love the story with Raubahn but I wanted to throw Minfilla off a cliff lol).

Like how a silly amount of my time in Warcraft 3 was custom games (hardly played the original past the first MSQ), or WoW was mostly PvP for me. Just saying that MSQ does not equal a whole game, even if it can be (and probably is for a lot of people) an impressively large part of it.

These people that skip all the MSQ are the same people that complain there isn’t enough content in the game and complain that it’s too easy and complain there aren’t enough other people at their skill level to play with, some people you just can’t please.

That's also a huge simplification/generalization. It's like you get one rude person in a dungeon and now the entire gaming community must be worse than a chocobo smells. The people who complain could be the ones who skipped yeah, but that doesn't have to be true - the people complaining could also be MSQ devourers that ran out of MSQ and now think the game has no valuable content anymore.

[SerLuke]

I think the thread hit its last legs since now it's been many pages about people not caring to see another person's own value system in the game. .

TBH this thread had run its course before it was even made, Yoshi P already said at Fanfest they were making a lot of the lvl 50 ARR MSQ fetch quests into side quests, either people aren't reading that or are they being totally unreasonable and demand a Final Fantasy game stop being a Final Fantasy game and de-emphasize the story

[Shougun]

TBH this thread had run its course before it was even made, Yoshi P already said at Fanfest they were making a lot of the lvl 50 ARR MSQ fetch quests into side quests, either people aren't reading that or are they being totally unreasonable and demand a Final Fantasy game stop being a Final Fantasy game and de-emphasize the story

I really disagree mate, even if they cut out 25% there is still a HUGE mountain that remains that grows larger at each expansion. As we move from an expansion to expansion it's still easy to put it into the "multiple games" of game time to get to content people may have wanted territory. I do think what they're doing will increase the quality experience for those who did want to do the MSQ from the very beginning though, so that's good!

[SerLuke]

I really disagree mate, even if they cut out 25% there is still a HUGE mountain that remains that grows larger at each expansion. As we move from an expansion to expansion it's still easy to put it into the "multiple games" of game time to get to content people may have wanted territory. I do think what they're doing will increase the quality experience for those who did want to do the MSQ though, so that's good!

As it should remain, this is a Final Fantasy game, not World of Warcraft.

[Shougun]

As it should remain, this is Final Fantasy game, not World of Warcraft.

Why does it matter to you if someone else gets in at a different point? (Assuming the solution doesn't destructure the story on you).

[LyraKuroneko]

Why does it matter to you if someone else gets in at a different point? (Assuming the solution doesn't destructure the story on you).

I wouldn't want it cut out when I do an alt or when a friend will do it. A friend that want to play a FF.

[Shougun]

I wouldn't want it cut out when I do an alt or when a friend will do it. A friend that want to play a FF.

That doesn't answer the question though, I never suggested to cut out content or force you to skip stuff. If you wanted to do it, or your friend wanted to, you could still. Or are you saying you want to force people to do it even if they found it very boring (not all people)?

The longer this wall gets the bigger of a detractor it will be for people coming in and staying in, even if they cut down the time by a quarter the time will still be significant.. I feel some people just don't care that the game is unselling itself to a crowd (and solutions to fix that don't require neutering the story on everyone).

I don't want to remove story from anyone, and I don't want to see the story turned through a blender just to help out someone who saw the mountain an NOPED out. I've been quite specific on a type of solution that wouldn't do that.

[LyraKuroneko]

That doesn't answer the question though, I never suggested to cut out content or force you to skip stuff. If you wanted to do it, or your friend wanted to, you could still. Or are you saying you want to force people to do it even if they found it very boring (not all people)?

The longer this wall gets the bigger of a detractor it will be for people coming in and staying in, even if they cut down the time by a quarter the time will still be significant.. I feel some people just don't care that the game is unselling itself to a crowd.

I don't want to remove story from anyone, and I don't want to see the story turned through a blender just to help out someone who saw the mountain an NOPED out. I've been quite specific on a type of solution that wouldn't do that.

Isn't there the skip potion for that then?

[Shougun]

Isn't there the skip potion for that then?

Yeah so pay another $50 on a (p2p) game you're not sure you want to invest in yet because you're new. . . lol. Also I mentioned there are quite a few other issues with a skip potion.