Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[cicatriz313]

I mean, you're talking about a single experience you had vs the vast majority of experiences where runs go perfectly fine going wall to wall. Speaking of the OP's scenario, I highly doubt a group of 3 people are telling a tank to pull more if they see he is in min ilevel gear, like why would anyone purposefully want to wipe? And then to talk about tank entitlement in discord afterwards and how tanks should vs should not dictate the pace; it sounds a lot more like the tank was being stubborn about not wanting to grab more despite being perfectly able to gear wise than a group of bullies forcing a brand new tank to do something that would be hazardous to their run. Like, just logically people don't want to make their own lives harder for no good reason. I imagine this tank was being a little angsty about being asked to do it.

Edit: Welp, you deleted your post so this doesn't make sense now lol. Basically Mixt gave an example of how he was forced to pull too much in min ilevel gear and was berated which I replied to.

[Granyala]

Not gonna lie, I've never seen a group wipe in any of those three situations so... Maybe it's just you?

Naah I've seen it happen. I've never seen any drama because of it though and I play since ARR.
Typically it's the tank that pulls a bit more than the group can handle, says "Sorry, that was too much" and that's that.

Everyone who wants mass pulls, knows that it can be a gamble and that a wipe is always a possibility. After all, that's what you get (or rather got, nowadays mobs are too weak) when you try to find the absolute limits.

[Hash_Browns]

I'm not in love with kicking anyone for playing bad.

This is what this thread comes down to for me.
If you aren't willing to kick people for being bad at the basics of the game in level +50 dungeons, then it promotes a lazy behavior.

[Granyala]

This is what this thread comes down to for me.
If you aren't willing to kick people for being bad at the basics of the game in level +50 dungeons, then it promotes a lazy behavior.

If they are bad to the point that the group cannot progress, aye. I kick too.
That never applies to dungeons though and the time you lose while waiting for replacements is usually longer than doing the second half of the dungeon (need to play 15 minutes anyway) with the slowpoke. In the end I don't care too much whether the dungeon takes 20 or 25 minutes.

[Hash_Browns]

If they are bad to the point that the group cannot progress, aye. I kick too.
That never applies to dungeons though and the time you lose while waiting for replacements is usually longer than doing the second half of the dungeon (need to play 15 minutes anyway) with the slowpoke. In the end I don't care too much whether the dungeon takes 20 or 25 minutes.

You're missing the point.
If I get bad player after bad player, I don't care if I time out the dungeon.
If you wanna finish the dungeon with someone such as myself, know your class.

[Aramina]

I am a majority rules kind of person, unless reasoning is given as to why someone can't do whatever the majority wants. That said, the tank wasn't wrong for wanting to pull small, but the group also was not wrong for removing him from the group.

[jameseoakes]

You're missing the point.
If I get bad player after bad player, I don't care if I time out the dungeon.
If you wanna finish the dungeon with someone such as myself, know your class.

I know my class but you sound like someone really unpleasant to play with. I'd much rather play with someone nice but not all that good then someone who good but rude.

[Hash_Browns]

I know my class but you sound like someone really unpleasant to play with. I'd much rather play with someone nice but not all that good then someone who good but rude.

I'm being blunt, not rude.
I ain't interested in people who are lazy for the sake of being lazy.

Kindness has nothing to do with this.
I ain't gonna be rude when I ask a tank to tank, but I ain't gonna take their crap either.

[jameseoakes]

I'm being blunt, not rude.
I ain't interested in people who are lazy for the sake of being lazy.

Kindness has nothing to do with this.
I ain't gonna be rude when I ask a tank to tank, but I ain't gonna take their crap either.

Kindness and civility should be the base line for a game where you interact with other people

[Hash_Browns]

Kindness and civility should be the base line for a game where you interact with other people

What does this have to do with kicking people who are under-performing?
Or are you implying that because I'm willing to tell people to either learn their role, or get kicked that I'm no longer being polite in game.