Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[Jwrigh7784]

They are human for sure, but when considering a choice between the OP exaggerating a bit to lend perceived credence to their complaint vs a GM suddenly forgetting company policy.... I am going to have to go with the OP exaggerating.

While it is unlikely they would say such a thing it also cannot be ruled out. As I mentioned before, they are human and we humans make mistakes. Just because a person doesn't want to believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I also don't see what benefit it would be for the OP to make up a lie to tell to a bunch of strangers that she will most likely never meet in real life. I've been in the position of the OP, being accused of lying when I didn't so I simply don't see why the OP would set herself up for that. Again, just to make it clear, I'm not saying the OP isn't lying, I am simply pointing out that there is a possibility that she isn't.

[Aramina]

While it is unlikely they would say such a thing it also cannot be ruled out. As I mentioned before, they are human and we humans make mistakes. Just because a person doesn't want to believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I also don't see what benefit it would be for the OP to make up a lie to tell to a bunch of strangers that she will most likely never meet in real life. I've been in the position of the OP, being accused of lying when I didn't so I simply don't see why the OP would set herself up for that. Again, just to make it clear, I'm not saying the OP isn't lying, I am simply pointing out that there is a possibility that she isn't.

Reality is, report communication with GMs is via form letter. They would have somehow had to have forgotton to use a form letter and then on top of it forget that they don't mention discipline. It didn't happen. You can keep saying "but it could!", but that won't change anything.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

This is a thread OP lol. If you feel like the roulette is being manipulated and as such you can't do relevant content then just queue for what you want. The main purpose of the roulette is to help new people get through old content and rewards a ton of xp. I mean if I want a token from Ridorana wtf would I use the roulette? I wont get any xp and barely any tomes to make rolling that dice worth it. If you think using the Roulette will save you time that's just silly. Queue for the 3 raids you need get your tokens and be done.

i know we don't use roulette to get SPECIFIC content, and know what roulette is used for. but it doesn't change the fact that people are manipulating the system. what about if people want to queue something like The World of Darkness, or something later on? anyone manipulating the roulette to dwindle the possibility down to only 2 possible outcomes is taking away up to 23 other people for that person to be matched with.

I do shit like this all the time if I don't feel like doing certain content, who are you to tell me I should have to run it? Maybe I'm a returning player trying to brush up on my skills and don't want to run the hardest alliance raid? If you want to run the hardest content, que directly for it.

i am not telling you should have to run it, roulette is... if you don't like the possibility of getting content you don't like, either... A.) don't use roulette or B.) drop out and eat your 30minute penalty, plenty of people do this one. what makes you the exception that you should manipulate the outcome of a roulette for up to 23 other players? who you are to decide what roulette should or should not include? to purposely manipulate the roulette results to your own ends is wrong.

personally, i don't mind getting lower-level content in my roulette, even if still needing a weekly grab from something more relevant. but i DO mind that possibility of getting a more relevant instance potentially being stolen away.

people who are manipulating the results of roulette are defeating the purpose of roulette. they are manipulating the results to their own ends. no matter how you look at it, it is a selfish thing to do and has an impact on others.

Just queue for the raid you want to do. No, seriously. Full stop! If you want gear from a raid, do that raid. No, there is nothing else. I don't care about how often something might pop up or anything. Go do the raid if you want that gear. FULL STOP. Other people abusing the system won't affect you and doesn't even matter.

it isn't about wanting to get a specific raid from the roulette. it is about at least having the CHANCE to get that raid, which is potentially taken away when people start dropping their gear to manipulate the results.

You are claiming people are stripping down once the queue pops. That would do nothing. They would have to remove their gear before they queued for it to have any effect. Are you psychic? Do you know what people are planning to queue for anytime they change gear?



So you are queueing with a premade? Why not speak up and tell the leader that someone in the group has changed gear to get something different than what the group agreed on rather than claiming people are breaking the rules. What you are now claiming is even *less* of an issue than I originally thought. You have complete agency in this situation. Don't like people in your group doing that? Leave the group.

i did speak in party chat about it. a couple people agreed that it wasn't proper, but the leader was unwilling to kick the manipulator. of course, i left the group. but that doesn't eliminate the possibility someone is manipulating the roulette just as that player was. i certainly didn't queue up right away, and waited til later. but the potential that there are people in the pool doing this is still there.


either way, roulette is a game of chance and people shouldn't be manipulating the odds.

Yes, yes, there are people doing that - but they don't influence which raid you end up in nearly as much as you seem to imagine they do.
In short, what you are complaining about is not an actual problem for anyone - including you.

your statement is both true and false. no matter how uncommon it might be, the fact remains that there ARE people dropping gear to do this to the roulette. no matter which way you slice it, it is has an impact on up to 23 other people.

[SenorPatty]

@OP

You can't interpret the rules as you want to see them and then try to make it look as that interpretation is the de facto rule. Bringing up obstruction is fruitless for alliance roulette because you literally have no idea which duty you'll end up in to say the person who changed their ilvl blocked you from entering a specific duty. You still get access to a duty.

Also the impact on those other 23 people in the queue is only as relevant as they want them to be. Highly doubt everyone in the queue is as offended by this you are or we'd be seeing threads and posts like yours pop up on a regular basis. Maybe you just need to let it go. The main boon of alliance roulette is the exp and tomes/gil it provides. Why are you so hot and bothered about what you're going to receive upon completion of the roulette anyways? Potentially missing out on a specific gear that you want? Easily resolved by queuing for said duty instead of the roulette. Unless of course your great idea is to hop on roulette and hope to net the whole thing in one shot, to which I gotta say seems like a pretty bad gamble to begin with.

We get you're mad but this is one of those things that don't need to be looked at. Give it a rest.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

i'm not mad about this. and people who are doing this aren't just having an impact on those 23 people. and while it may seem uncommon for people to do this to the roulette, there are like 3 people in this very thread that have admitted to committing this manipulation. which shows that it really isn't too uncommon for people to do it. this behavior should be addressed.

picture this...

even in the more populated data centers, if playing at certain times, it can take up to and over 30minutes to queue a specific Alliance Raid. hell, sometimes even 50+ minutes. i am sure there are those who can mostly only play during hours when most others aren't. should they be unfortunate enough to play during the same hours as some roulette manipulator, ( assuming they are trying to queue for a specific Alliance Raid that is The World of Darkness or after ) this will most likely have an adverse effect on them. they could potentially wait for hours and not get in the Alliance Raid they want, and all because someone is manipulating the roulette and stealing away 23 other people from that person.

while this scenario is far less likely to be as common as people actually manipulating the roulette in the first place... why are we so opposed to trying to prevent such a behavior that could have an adverse effect on other players? that just doesn't make sense.

[SenorPatty]

i'm not mad about this. and people who are doing this aren't just having an impact on those 23 people. and while it may seem uncommon for people to do this to the roulette, there are like 3 people in this very thread that have admitted to committing this manipulation. which shows that it really isn't too uncommon for people to do it. this behavior should be addressed.

picture this...

even in the more populated data centers, if playing at certain times, it can take up to and over 30minutes to queue a specific Alliance Raid. hell, sometimes even 50+ minutes. i am sure there are those who can mostly only play during hours when most others aren't. should they be unfortunate enough to play during the same hours as some roulette manipulator, ( assuming they are trying to queue for a specific Alliance Raid that is The World of Darkness or after ) this will most likely have an adverse effect on them. they could potentially wait for hours and not get in the Alliance Raid they want, and all because someone is manipulating the roulette and stealing away 23 other people from that person.

while this scenario is far less likely to be as common as people actually manipulating the roulette in the first place... why are we so opposed to trying to prevent such a behavior that could have an adverse effect on other players? that just doesn't make sense.

Because at the end of the day, there's always going to be a queue for people specifically for those people who want to get into an alliance they want. It's that simple. Not everyone's going to manipulate their ilvls before they queue for roulette and the queue will just continue to rack up the eligible people just for the person who's trying to enter a specific duty. If someone's playing in the wee hours of the night on a busy weekday, they have the PF option to try and hasten the process but even then, the queue system in itself can't solve everyone's time problems and the ilvl manipulation isn't as so common to be a huge part of those porblems just because 3 people in a forum of all places admitted to it.

Besides, unless you can literally prove someone's actually manipulating their ilvl without that person giving themselves away, this is moot. I could just as easily strip myself of all my current gear, get myself the minimum ilvl gear needed for a specific group of roulette (say the lvl 60 alliance raids) and there's no system that could force my character to wear the higher ilvl gear in my inventory. And if such a system did exist, you'd be certain there would be a far greater uproar about that then this problem you're bringing up.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

it still doesn't seem right to just simply ignore the behavior. regardless of how low the potential is, there is always that possibility people are going to be adversely impacted by someone who would manipulate the roulette outcome.



it seems like it should be a simple fix, but again, i don't know how much server resource it could cost.

it would just be something like your highest achieved AIL for each job equipped will be recorded. and, when having that job equipped, you are forced to meet that AIL to queue in the roulette. now... it doesn't really need to record the exact number, and can just set stages. even if it does record the exact number, there could be some room for wiggle. this way anyone willing sacrifice a small amount of AIL to trade a piece of gear for something that is best-in-slot for the stat they want to stack won't have to worry about that.

[Stanelis]

The only way to make player not try to cheat the alliance raid roulette would actually be to increase the exp rewards from raids up to the wiping city of mach and above. Because when you see that people manage to wipe on the LoTA, one can only fear what would happen in dun scaith or soon in the stormblood raids.

[Jwrigh7784]

Reality is, report communication with GMs is via form letter. They would have somehow had to have forgotton to use a form letter and then on top of it forget that they don't mention discipline. It didn't happen. You can keep saying "but it could!", but that won't change anything.

Has this ever been publicly stated? If not than your claim is just an assumption in which case you still cannot say it never happened. If it has been stated publicly than I would A, like to see it and B, retract my statement. Assuming they use form letters without any proof does not make it true.

[BubblyBoar]

it isn't about wanting to get a specific raid from the roulette. it is about at least having the CHANCE to get that raid, which is potentially taken away when people start dropping their gear to manipulate the results.

You do have a chance for the other stuff. But right now people are going hard on the first 24 man because of the upcoming expansion. That's why you are getting it so often. There's always a chance to get the others. If you don't want the loot from the others, why do you care which one you get? Stop depending on a chance to get something and actually go for what you want. Don't depend on RNG when you don't have to. Get over it.