Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Your entire premise is based on someone's ail hindering your options for play. By your logic the lv 50 player that has not unlocked other parts of the game is hindering your options for play by joining the roulette. Why don't you report that player for obstructing your play? For that matter, my decision not to join the roulette is depriving you of a tank for a run which is hindering your options for play. Would you like to report me for violating the TOS for not doing the roulette? Nor are either of us

the biggest difference there is that that is out of the players control. nobody is trying to fault others for not having the same amount of progress, we all pay our own subscription fees. and maybe some just want to complete everything they think is worth holding back for before adding an expansion. ( i know how that is... some games you pay a sub and get all the DLC/expansion. and next thing you know you are swamped with quest and don't even know where to start. ) but someone removing gear to manipulate roulette results is a decided action. totally within a players control to not do.

[MistakeNot]

i can understand where a lot of people are coming from in this thread. but is it really right to allow people to manipulate the roulette results? again, this has impact on up to 23 other people. i say up to, because not everyone cares. but surely there must be some people who do care. :/

Most people don't consider this to be an actual problem for at least two different reasons:
1) A few people cheesing their ilvl do not prevent the higher-level raids from popping. There has after all always been some people who are only eligible for the lowest level raids for perfectly legit reasons, and that did not stop the other raids from being run.
2) Lots of people actually like when they get one of the easier raids - they only run the roulette for the rewards anyway, so a quick easy run is fine with them.

[Eldevern]

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Honestly, I don't get why people would unlock the high tiers raids if it is to try to avoid it. My idea of this is it is player who run a secondary job (or alt) and doesn't want or/and CAN'T run the current high tiers with his secondary (lack of experience, bad stuff or so, maybe they need, only 1ilvl to reach the current high tiers).

You think you know what they are doing but it is only what you feel they do. You are not with them, in the same room.

[Mavrias]

And I see no point in calling OP a liar either, what they described is a perfectly reasonable scenario and although I never experienced it, it's very much in line with the other exploits people carry out in this game on the regular.

no one is saying op is lying about seeing others drop their item level. everyone knows people do that.

what op lied about is knowing its against the terns of service because they reported someone over it and claiming the gm told them that the person they reported got a warning over it. A GM will never tell you about actions taken against another player as a result of your ticket.

[Hustensaft]

the biggest difference there is that that is out of the players control. nobody is trying to fault others for not having the same amount of progress, we all pay our own subscription fees. and maybe some just want to complete everything they think is worth holding back for before adding an expansion. ( i know how that is... some games you pay a sub and get all the DLC/expansion. and next thing you know you are swamped with quest and don't even know where to start. ) but someone removing gear to manipulate roulette results is a decided action. totally within a players control to not do.

That person is only changing the result of his own roulettte. It does not at any point impact where the roulette places you.

There are many people queueing directly for older raids or the new alliance raids, wether it is for quests, gear, glamour, or minion rewards. They are not queueing with the Alliance Roulette. Alliance Roulette's sole purpose is to help fill the queue for these people. Alliance Roulette's purpose is not for you to get additional rewards when running Orbonne Monastery. The reward for Alliance Roulette are the Roulette rewards, not the drops of whatever Alliance Raid you join into. Further, Alliance Roulette also offers a good junk of XP, and many players use it to level their jobs (or returner that gear up through Stormblood raids). Your chance to get Orbonne Monastery in Alliance Roulette is inherently the lowest.

You have no argument here, as you completely ignore the intended purpose of alliance roulette, and the people queueing for it.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Honestly, I don't get why people would unlock the high tiers raids if it is to try to avoid it. My idea of this is it is player who run a secondary job (or alt) and doesn't want or/and CAN'T run the current high tiers with his secondary (lack of experience, bad stuff or so, maybe they need, only 1ilvl to reach the current high tiers).

You think you know what they are doing but it is only what you feel they do. You are not with them, in the same room.

true and true. but there are indeed those out there manipulating the roulette for the sole purpose of just getting a mindlessly easy run. i know this because of seeing a player strip down right in front of my character during the Ready call. it is what prompted me to come make this thread.

sadly, i don't know what could possibly fix this or prevent it. it doesn't seem like there is anyway of actually preventing this. everything i can think of seems to be rather redundant.

i suppose the whole dynamic thing COULD still work, but am unsure how much server resource that would cost. it would basically need to be dynamic based on their currently equipped job. plus keep a record of their highest AIL achieved with that job. at least this way, regardless of what level or job they have, the game can dynamically enforce an AIL requirement for the roulette. naturally, if you are trying to level something then you haven't achieved a high enough AIL for certain content. while their queue into the pool wouldn't change the current situation that is making it less likely for people to get content more relevant to them due to manipulators, they also wouldn't be manipulating the roulette. such player activity would be normal. players purposely manipulating the results isn't a normal way to use the roulette.

i am sure there is a flaw in the idea somewhere... and maybe it isn't entirely worth the effort/time to implement. but i think if the developers could find even the smallest inkling of time, even here & there, then something to that effect would certainly put an end to manipulation of roulette results.

[Hustensaft]

true and true. but there are indeed those out there manipulating the roulette for the sole purpose of just getting a mindlessly easy run. i know this because of seeing a player strip down right in front of my character during the Ready call. it is what prompted me to come make this thread.

Because you know which people queue with you?

Further, the dungeon is chosen before the queue pops. You can, after all, get a "time-elapsed" queue to pop for you - changing your itemlvl will at that point not alter what raid you join.

[Aramina]

The dungeon is chosen before the ready call.

This. To "abuse" (in quotes because I don't agree it is abusive) the queue, they would have to strip down *before* they queued. Doing it after it pops has no effect.

Source: I do this for Trial Roulette when playing a job I am not particularly comfortable with in the highest trials.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

That person is only changing the result of his own roulettte. It does not at any point impact where the roulette places you.

There are many people queueing directly for older raids or the new alliance raids, wether it is for quests, gear, glamour, or minion rewards. They are not queueing with the Alliance Roulette. Alliance Roulette's sole purpose is to help fill the queue for these people. Alliance Roulette's purpose is not for you to get additional rewards when running Orbonne Monastery. The reward for Alliance Roulette are the Roulette rewards, not the drops of whatever Alliance Raid you join into. Further, Alliance Roulette also offers a good junk of XP, and many players use it to level their jobs (or returner that gear up through Stormblood raids). Your chance to get Orbonne Monastery in Alliance Roulette is inherently the lowest.

You have no argument here, as you completely ignore the intended purpose of alliance roulette, and the people queueing for it.

i understand what you are saying, but you aren't following. there are people queuing the Alliance Roulette and are outright stripping their gear to manipulate the results of that roulette. and all for the purpose of simply getting an easier/faster run. we all want the rewards on the roulette, it is why we do it. but that doesn't mean everyone appreciates the possibility of content that is most relevant to them to be potentially taken away from them. and, mind you again, not because of RNG. but rather because of someones choice to manipulate the roulette.


so, even with your point... say i strip down to the lowest possible AIL. this gives the roulette only TWO possible choices. say you are queuing for the 3rd Alliance Raid in the game. that means you will potentially sit there longer while i potentially take away 23 people from your Alliance. it will be impossible for me & you to get grouped together, and therefore also impossible for at least 23 other people to be grouped with you as well. i don't know how many people average the Alliance Roulette queue pool per hour, but i am willing to bet taking away 23 people is going to have an impact. this is especially true depending on the time of day/night you play. and still yet especially true if your data center isn't as heavily populated.

This. To "abuse" (in quotes because I don't agree it is abusive) the queue, they would have to strip down *before* they queued. Doing it after it pops has no effect.

Source: I do this for Trial Roulette when playing a job I am not particularly comfortable with in the highest trials.

this is true. it is why i changed my wording to manipulate.

and even though manipulating the Trials Roulette isn't going to have an impact on the possibility of someone getting loot that is relevant to- WELL, some trials in the roulette do have loot, but i don't think the relevance for that loot goes beyond personal desire for something say, like a glamour. regardless, manipulating the results of that roulette will potentially have an impact on people queuing for a Trial at higher AIL than the threshold you created to not go above.

Because you know which people queue with you?

Further, the dungeon is chosen before the queue pops. You can, after all, get a "time-elapsed" queue to pop for you - changing your itemlvl will at that point not alter what raid you join.

no, no. you misunderstand. what i meant is that the leader initiated a Ready check, and the character in front of me stripped down before hitting Ready.





P.S. i seem to have reached my daily post limit... didn't know such a thing existed. LOLOL

[Aramina]

You are claiming people are stripping down once the queue pops. That would do nothing. They would have to remove their gear before they queued for it to have any effect. Are you psychic? Do you know what people are planning to queue for anytime they change gear?

no, no. you misunderstand. what i meant is that the leader initiated a Ready check, and the character in front of me stripped down before hitting Ready.

So you are queueing with a premade? Why not speak up and tell the leader that someone in the group has changed gear to get something different than what the group agreed on rather than claiming people are breaking the rules. What you are now claiming is even *less* of an issue than I originally thought. You have complete agency in this situation. Don't like people in your group doing that? Leave the group.