Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Renik]

A small body type does not make everything immediatly shota.

That's right, I never used shota as an excuse to post against short males, I was just giving an explanation.

Also, not related to your post, extreme slider or nothing! If it's just height and just for one race-gender they can make it, forcing others to something they don't like when you can please both is selfish!

Ask for an extreme slider instead!

[BillyKaplan]

Ask for an extreme slider instead!

Lala to Hroth slider or bust

[Anselmet]

Ah yes, think of the fictional children argument. So when we gonna delete the toddler-like lalafel? We can't have anything childlike in this game after all. It might lead to shotacon! Even though shota/loli does not equal sexualization of children and is in all honesty an art style. Goodbye Aliphinaud (shota)! Goodbye Alisaie(loli)! We must protect you fictional children!

Like seriously guys. Stop stamping sex onto anything that is small...

[CoolDad]

Lala to Hroth slider or bust

Proportions stay the same so minimum slider viera are just very tiny regular men

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[Renik]

Lala to Hroth slider or bust

Too extreme Will!!

But seriously, by using an existing player body or a mix or them as base, you could reduce the workload on gear a lot, and that would allow for a slider with a difference of ~50cm, from ~2m at max height(same as females) to ~1.50m min(close to female Au Ra). A difference of 50cm would be very noticeable in height but not so much in proportions.

[Quipsy]

I'm in support of a big height slider so people can still have their dream of being a cute li'l killer bunny (I mean, look at Miqo'te, they're tiny little manlets but are clearly grown.)

But I want to be a FLEMISH GIANT. BIG rabbit. Very, very tall. Taller than Aymeric or Vampire Dad.

[BillyKaplan]

Too extreme Will!!

[Senn]

I want male viera the way Yoshi P envisions them. Slim, handsome, elegant.
Let's hope we get them into the game at all. Speaking of that...

To anyone who is new here, please leave a "like" on the first post of this thread, and share a link to this thread with your friends. The more we keep up the support, the more likely it is SE will implement male viera into the game. I would not expect male viera any time soon, but it's still good to keep up your support.

[Ceallach]

To be fair bud if you comb through this thread, you will find that there's extremely few that claim the exclusion of the fem Hroth and Male Viera is homophobic or sexist.
Mostly everyone agree that they'd like the genderlock lifted in the future as a baseline in this thread.
Yoshi said they'd review feedback.
and thus people are giving feedback and sharing art and ideas.

I see more people being outraged that people dare request stuff, than actual hostile claims towards the devs in this thread.

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In fairness, I'm a college student, so I don't have time to read nearly 300 pages worth of forum posts. I'm used to people being outraged for the sake of being outraged because that is mostly what I see on the Internet as a whole. Combine that with this site's reputation for being a cesspool of whiners.

Honestly, it can be difficult to even look at this site sometimes. The contents of this particular thread notwithstanding, there's plenty of silliness to choose from. People even wanted to give Raise to black mages. Black mages!

I just don't really have a lot of hope that I'll see something wholesome or well-thought on the forums very often at all, so when I post, it's usually because I think of myself as the voice of reason amongst a sea of idiots. Sometimes it leads to mistakes such as those I've made here, and I'm sorry.

While there is a vocal minority that has made this a gendered political issue it does not mean this thread nor the topic of having no gender locks is a gendered issue. Most I've seen is that people see NO point in make gendered locked races when it did not exist in ffxiv after ARR launched. Sure, there is those that do say 'in the year 2019 we should not have over sexualized females and overly masculine males', but that is not the main focus of the thread. It only becomes the focus of the thread when people make it. Many of which are those who are anti male viera who come in and tell us that we shouldn't get them bc of gendered politics etc.

I was mostly reacting to that minority and assuming it was the entire thread for the reasons listed above, which I admit was probably a mistake. My original point about worldbuilding is simply that some races and/or cultures can certainly have different structures where gender is concerned. One idea I posted on the Hrothgar thread was, "Maybe children with Hrothgar parents are born either female of the mate's race or Hrothgar, enabling grown Hrothgar to take mates of any Spoken race." This would be a lore-based reason why there are no female Hrothgar, and it's not the only idea I had. When lore takes a backseat to real life politics is where I draw the line. That's not something that should ever happen. Otherwise we have less a fantasy setting and more an echo chamber, and I hope nobody really wants that for FINAL FANTASY XIV.

Hate to break it to ya but this outrage did exist. Not saying they were right but uh...?

Thanks for pointing that out. I actually did not know that thread existed.

Excuse me, but I invest in this game by buying things on the mogstation and paying a subscription and buying merchandise. If I want to give feedback, I very well can and I will especially when I really support something. This is also an MMO that is constantly updated which means that player feedback is very important. Which means I can request and wish for things however I see fit. It is not up to you to tell me, or anyone else, otherwise. Like I get it, you don't like that we are requesting male vieras for reasons. But what do YOU personally lose from this by us requesting for male vieras? Its up to the devs what they implement. Most of us understand that, so stop assuming we don't. It will also be up to them if they take our feedback. Hardly anyone is hostile towards the devs in this thread other than those who are saying we are. I'm not sure if you read the title of the thread but uh, it says 'Thread: Male Viera as a playable character! show your support'. And we can show support any way we want.

Providing feedback and making demands are two different things, and I've seen posts that are essentially demands. I do not have a problem with players providing feedback, and considering the dev team even asked for that feedback, it would be nonsensical for me to be against that.

However, when I see posts that are essentially, "I pay my subscription, so I am entitled to tell you what to do with your game, and I think you're being sexist and/or homophobic," I get mad. I lose faith in humanity. Think about your own point of view that I've quoted here. You seem to think you're entitled to, and I quote, "provide feedback." I believe this is correct. You are entitled to provide feedback, and you are very obviously doing so. That's fine. When someone posts, "I invest in this game, so I have a right to demand my way, or I'll cancel my subscription because <insert whatever ridiculous insults here>," I take issue with that.

Am I being clear? I honestly have no faith in my ability to get others to understand me correctly, so I'll rephrase if I need to.

Yotsuyu's fate and the story that led her there absolutely broke my heart, and will probably be a sore point for me for a long time, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with wanting male Viera added into the game?

I've already explained that.

I don't fundamentally disagree with your perspective or beliefs in any real sense, but this thread has been very light on what you describe and has by and large been conducted in a respectful tone towards the devs. I think what you say was certainly truer of some earlier iterations of the topic, though.

Yeah, that's what I was reacting to at first.

TBH, the people who cannot distinguish fiction from reality and believe fiction must conform to certain political or moral ideals annoy me the most, especially when they're against a setting portraying such elements even in a descriptive sense. Nonetheless, I'm certainly not partial to the ideological persuasion you mention, but I want male Viera - why? 1) because I think gender-locks are idiotic for reasons besides ideology and 2) I like the wood elf vibe they've been given.

I'm with you there!

So if we're told male Viera eschew the idea of leaving the Wood, so we won't be getting playable male Viera, would that be an issue with you? I don't think it would be, but I thought I'd ask out of interest.

[Senn]

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I wasn't keeping up with your conversation, but I skimmed the post and I just wanted to say I didn't like the fact people were dragging politics into this, either.