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[spf1200]

They've earned every accusation of sexism thrown their way, by virtue of introducing each gender for different reasons. And that's regardless of whether or not you agree they reinforce problematic gender stereotypes (coudl've been negated by introducing aesthetically similar gender matches, which they chose not to do), or how Hroth males were designed for the sake of "diversity" and "artistic integrity" or what not but the Viera females are sexy waifu bait introduced to please the masses (not that Hroth weren't requested, but not in such capacity, nor was it stated as the lone reason for their introduction). There's even criticism floating around about how what we saw already for Viera is in contrast to how they were portrayed in XII as far as mannerism goes (giggly, dainty waifus in the reveal trailer), so that feeds back into that all the more.

Oh get over yourself. SE hasn't done anything to deserve the sexism claims and you know it. You are hurting your own end game with claims like this. No one is going to listen to someone throwing out silly statements when we have so much that shows it isn't true. As someone else said you need to take a break from this thread because you clearly aren't thinking straight anymore.

[BillyKaplan]

SE hasn't done anything to deserve the sexism claims and you know it.

I obviously don't, other than "I disagree this is sexist" do you have any other rebuttal?

we have so much that shows it isn't true.

Feel free to enlighten me, this too is part of a debate.

As someone else said you need to take a break from this thread because you clearly aren't thinking straight anymore.

I'm not the one losing my temper here

EDIT: I do feel like adding that when I say this is sexist, I'm not saying that was an active factor in the deliberations. These things seldom are, they're just that ingrained, alternatively, an unfortunate product of a mixture of decisions made.

[Renthas]

I obviously don't, other than "I disagree this is sexist" do you have any other rebuttal?



Feel free to enlighten me, this too is part of a debate.



I'm not the one losing my temper here

EDIT: I do feel like adding that when I say this is sexist, I'm not saying that was an active factor in the deliberations. These things seldom are, they're just that ingrained, alternatively, an unfortunate product of a mixture of decisions made.

Personally I do not feel like what they did is sexist on the grounds that their presentation of Viera is, for the most part, very consistent with how they've been portrayed since 2003 with FFTA. However, I would say that the concept art we've gotten for Viera dating since 2003 is pretty sexist considering they're designed entirely around sex appeal. If people can't see that, HOO BOY.

[zeylos]

You're confusing not understanding their point of view, with vehemently disagreeing with it. I fully admit this was done with the best of intentions, but that's the selfsame thing that paves the road to hell, as the proverb goes.
They reintroduced genderlocks after being the ones to remove that moving from 1.0 to 2.0. Mind you, the removal of genderlocks is one of the things the game is known and praised for, which is part of why this stings as bad as it does.
They've earned every accusation of sexism thrown their way, by virtue of introducing each gender for different reasons. And that's regardless of whether or not you agree they reinforce problematic gender stereotypes (coudl've been negated by introducing aesthetically similar gender matches, which they chose not to do), or how Hroth males were designed for the sake of "diversity" and "artistic integrity" or what not but the Viera females are sexy waifu bait introduced to please the masses (not that Hroth weren't requested, but not in such capacity, nor was it stated as the lone reason for their introduction). There's even criticism floating around about how what we saw already for Viera is in contrast to how they were portrayed in XII as far as mannerism goes (giggly, dainty waifus in the reveal trailer), so that feeds back into that all the more.

Now, mind you, they supposedly went on record saying they knew there would be backlash. This goes beyond "we can't please everyone", this is them knowing that they're doing something wrong on some level, they simply thought the good would outweigh the bad.
And then they proved once again how out of touch they are with the playerbase by failing to predict how badly this would blow up in their faces, both because female Hroths and male Viera were also requested by anyone who wanted those races, as well as the very basic act of going back to genderlocks. You have people who don't care for either race in particular but are reconsidering their support of the game because genderlocks are just that big a dealbreaker for them.

I agree with you. I do think that what they did was a very bad decision both from a marketing perspective and specially the fact that they just failed to deliver what the community expected from them, which is no genderlocked races, and I bet a majority of the community is at least somewhat annoyed by gender lock, and that for sure if they only made 1 of the races they wouldn't have gotten near as much backlash

[Yuuki-chan]

I would love to see male viera! ;v; Even if not right away, eventually they should make male viera and female hrothgar.

[zeylos]

I honestly don't mind if they have to give the same gear sets to more jobs if it means it would allow them to remove genderlock

[LyraKuroneko]

I honestly don't mind if they have to give the same gear sets to more jobs if it means it would allow them to remove genderlock

It wouldn't change much ressource wise.

There would be about the same amount of model to do and the "big" change would be the stats swap which are unreleated to modeling.

Actually, as most armor model are color swap in the case we're talking about, it would most likely not change anything.

Yet they have already stated the backlash is way bigger than they though and they are considering on making the other genders...

For that point, I don't remember a time they haven't say that.

[zeylos]

I'm sure SE won't ever say it, they're very much okay with leaving information ambiguous in order to avoid offending anyone just look at their lack of a stance on healer dps but getting your hopes up that enough people are going to unsub about no bunbois to get their attention is unrealistic.

Yet they have already stated the backlash is way bigger than they though and they are considering on making the other genders...

[Renthas]

Yet they have already stated the backlash is way bigger than they though and they are considering on making the other genders...

No, they said that they expected this backlash. And where did they say they were considering making the other gender counterparts? If they had said that then we wouldn't have as many people up in arms about this situation, the most they've said so far is that they are listening to feedback and that they do not have the resources to make the counterparts at this time anyways. Also, further on the making armor designs less varied between the two genders, that isn't how the resources work at all. I said this earlier in the thread, at this point it's up to the higher-ups in Square whether or not the XIV development team gets the resources to make the counterparts, which in itself takes a lot due to having to make the skeleton+model, animations, fitting the armor, etc etc, it's a pretty expensive process.

[reivaxe]

Lol, reading up on the last few pages and its nice to see that the "it's sexism!" Post have come out again with a nice dose of people complaining about HROTHGAR, the race that actually adds something to the line up, cause it's not what they wanted.


And people wonder why the devs ignore the whining of the West.