Genderlock reminder to SE

[Kyuuen]

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words as possible is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

[Lacan]

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

I'm just amazed that she made up her own definition for a word and calls people passive aggressive for pointing it out.

[Sated]

"Made up words" is literally what language is and how it evolves, but that's not even on topic.

Much more relevant: a lot of players don't enjoy content that's restricted to specific genders, so why does SE keep doing it and can they be convinced it's worth developing content that includes both?

[Nora_of_Mira]

Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

you kind of proved her point though by using the words "making both genders available". that again assumes they are unavailable, but we know the reality is that they don't exist. The devs have to "Create" these genders, not unlock, not make available, not "genderlock to be removed". words matter.

[Sigma-Astra]

Genderlock can refer to things that weren't made in the first place though. It refers to anything that you have to be a certain gender to make use of. You're making up your own definition of what the word means.

You too, are making up your own definition of what the word means and then expecting other people to adhere and follow through with it. Let's just get it out in the open that the word has no correct definition and therefore insinuating that what you say is more correct than what another says is also wrong. The word has no clear definition, we can agree on that, but don't sit there and insult others outright that they don't know the correct terminology for it when neither do you. Neither does anyone. It's really a useless word.

I'm just amazed that she made up her own definition for a word and calls people passive aggressive for pointing it out.

So did you, and now you're being passive aggressive about it. Hypocrite, much?

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

You can't really make a claim that the vast majority aren't making those remarks or that only a few people are either unless you've got spreadsheets encompassing all three regions from every single player with their personal take on it. People really need to stop relying on "majority" and "minority" in a debate, it means nothing unless you have concrete facts to prove your point.

[Kairann]

I have not found a single person complaining about this in game. Not one. I've seen a couple people allude to the 'issue' in the form of a joke.

A majority of the playerbase, you say. Ell Oh Ell. You mean a majority of the whiny forum goers. Even that's a dubious claim at best.

[Kyuuen]

you kind of proved her point though by using the words "making both genders available". that again assumes they are unavailable, but we know the reality is that they don't exist. The devs have to "Create" these genders, not unlock, not make available, not "genderlock to be removed". words matter.

Which are just semantics, so no I didn't prove any point of hers. No one believes that they have the said genders behind lock and key and if they do they should be corrected for that stance. If you go through the 220+ pages of the Viera thread you'll find that most people are aware of the fact that they have to create said genders. The issue right now is that people are in a deadlock stare on the word Genderlock and would rather argue the semantics of the word as though it somehow dismisses peoples wishes for said Genders to be available.

You can't really make a claim that the vast majority aren't making those remarks or that only a few people are either unless you've got spreadsheets encompassing all three regions from every single player with their personal take on it. People really need to stop relying on "majority" and "minority" in a debate, it means nothing unless you have concrete facts to prove your point.

Actually I can, because I'm referring to those replies found in and on these forums. And considering I've been following the 220+ page Viera thread on the forums since it started it's fairly easy; and readily available, for me to make that claim and it's also readily available to you as well.

[Zsolen]

Lore talks about the history and cultural traditions of groups of people; what they normally do. It does not touch on what an individual might choose to do. Adventurers, especially the Warrior of Light, are outside those norms.

The lore applies to adventurers though. Otherwise, there is nothing to stop us ftom having ascian, dragon, and padjal adventurers.

[Sigma-Astra]

Actually I can, because I'm referring to those replies found in and on these forums. And considering I've been following the 220+ page Viera thread on the forums since it started it's fairly easy; and readily available, for me to make that claim and it's also readily available to you as well.

The forums are not readily used by everyone who plays the game though, so no, you can't. If I claimed that the people using the forums were the vast majority vocalizing for the races to stay as they are, I'd get laughed at and rightfully so.

Using the forums as a factual measure isn't a good thing, even more so if you can't understand Japanese or the other languages to get an idea and feel towards what the other regions might think. You're literally pooling your facts and resources from a choice group of people on the NA side, claiming they're the majority, and then ignoring everyone else. Especially since that thread alone has several of the same people talking back and forth with replies in multiple cases.

It's a very dubious claim to make that hurts your point more than it helps.

[MsQi]

The lore applies to adventurers though. Otherwise, there is nothing to stop us ftom having ascian, dragon, and padjal adventurers.

You don't seem to understand what lore is. By your understanding there wouldn't be people who make and eat asian food in London. Also most of who are adventures would not be adventures, probably none.