Genderlock reminder to SE

[MsQi]

I'd honestly favor a gender lock, so I guess I'm the boogeyman. I'm not a fan of changing lore for these types of purposes. Lore does evolve, but one of the biggest allures of male viera is the rarity and vastly different outlook on life. Some people will point out certain mounts and attire, but you can explain away much of that a lot easier than the introduction of new playable races. People really wanted a new bestial race, but some also wanted viera. I do not think either was needed, but their inclusion is understandable and easier to explain than male viera. Female hrothgar get the unfortunate boot, due to SE wanting to make female viera and will likely want to keep the genders balanced afterwards.

Lore talks about the history and cultural traditions of groups of people; what they normally do. It does not touch on what an individual might choose to do. Adventurers, especially the Warrior of Light, are outside those norms.

[Zsolen]

Lore talks about the history and cultural traditions of groups of people; what they normally do. It does not touch on what an individual might choose to do. Adventurers, especially the Warrior of Light, are outside those norms.

The lore applies to adventurers though. Otherwise, there is nothing to stop us ftom having ascian, dragon, and padjal adventurers.

[MsQi]

The lore applies to adventurers though. Otherwise, there is nothing to stop us ftom having ascian, dragon, and padjal adventurers.

You don't seem to understand what lore is. By your understanding there wouldn't be people who make and eat asian food in London. Also most of who are adventures would not be adventures, probably none.

[Zsolen]

You don't seem to understand what lore is. By your understanding there wouldn't be people who make and eat asian food in London. Also most of who are adventures would not be adventures, probably none.

This does not address my concerns. Male Viera adventurers completely conflict with lore. There is no wiggle room, not even a little. Asian food in London does not have anything to do with that.

[Thefates]

This does not address my concerns. Male Viera adventurers completely conflict with lore. There is no wiggle room, not even a little. Asian food in London does not have anything to do with that.

No, they do not, the WoL is always the exception to lore rules. You're the only white mage, you're reviving bards, red mages, black mages, etc. For a plethora of jobs, you should by all rights be the only one. One lone viera deciding to leave the forest is not lore breaking, and never would be, especially when otherworldly forces like Hydaelyn become involved. Many deciding to do that? Yes, that might be lore breaking. However, other adventurers are not considered a factor in the lore, that's WHY you can have tons of white mages partying in a room and not have a problem.

[Zsolen]

No, they do not, the WoL is always the exception to lore rules. You're the only white mage, you're reviving bards, red mages, black mages, etc. For a plethora of jobs, you should by all rights be the only one. One lone viera deciding to leave the forest is not lore breaking, and never would be, especially when otherworldly forces like Hydaelyn become involved. Many deciding to do that? Yes, that might be lore breaking. However, other adventurers are not considered a factor in the lore, that's WHY you can have tons of white mages partying in a room and not have a problem.

It is still breaking more lore. The only thing you can argue with certain jobs is that the others are conjurers, etc..., but it is still bad to break lore. The jobs change the way the game is played and should have been better handled.

[Madiera]

It is still breaking more lore. The only thing you can argue with certain jobs is that the others are conjurers, etc..., but it is still bad to break lore. The jobs change the way the game is played and should have been better handled.

Not to hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone but, I'm sorry. SE writes the lore and can literally retcon anything to fit within the confines of their own game. So the people who try and use lore as an excuse to keep with genderlocking, have to realize it's inherent flimsiness. To quote someone from reddit...

"It's always explicitly implied the WoL (WoD now?) is an adventurer and adventurers generally buck tradition and cultural norms. Most Lalafell are merchants of some kind and mostly in Ul'dah - but you can still be a greatsword wielding crazy popoto who signed up with the Adders to fight the Empire. The PC in almost every game is a cultural exception due to necessity. While a Male Miqote player can CHOOSE to RP out the N'uhn climb lifestyle, most don't and the main plot-line certainly gives you little time for it.

This implies not even a single male Viera ever decides to leave their seclusion to seek adventure or life elsewhere. And that's ridiculous."

Not to mention using the lore one minute to 'excuse' that there's no male veira and then totally disregarding it with the female hrothgar and simply excusing it by saying "It wouldn't be fair to the veira we genderlocked." Is one of the best examples of flimsy behavior.

[Paladinleeds]

It is still breaking more lore. The only thing you can argue with certain jobs is that the others are conjurers, etc..., but it is still bad to break lore. The jobs change the way the game is played and should have been better handled.

Disease has been spreading in Dalmasca due to the shift towards light in this shard. The male viera are now aware that they need to start flying the nest in order to survive.

There we go. Respects the lore that Male Viera were always traditionally reclusive and not seen, but also gives an explanation as to why they're seen more often now. Doesn't retcon the lore as such, just writes that a change has occurred forcing the male viera to adapt or die. Lore is fluid and can change over time. So long as it respects the past (which my writing does, since it writes out a situation showing that the viera had to change their ways or else). And that's just a very quick and dirty job that I came up with in about 5 minutes, I'm sure Square Enix could give a lot more detail. Retconning would be pulling the Sonic Rush/Sonic 06 stuff, which in Rush Blaze is determined to be from another dimension, then in Sonic 06 she's determined to be from the future. That's disrespecting the past and thus retconning.