Genderlock reminder to SE

[Kyuuen]

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words as possible is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

[Lacan]

That's what is done in everyday language though. Can't fault people for finding a way to shorten something to that of a few words. Otherwise we'd be saying things like "His/Her heart stopped beating and all brain activity has ceased." as opposed to "S/He has died/past away/ceased to be." Finding a way to communicate in as few words is an evolutionary process of language.

As to the sexist remark, please knock it off. Are there a few people mistakenly making that suggestion? Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

I'm just amazed that she made up her own definition for a word and calls people passive aggressive for pointing it out.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Certainly, but the vast majority who are in support of making both genders available for either Viera or Ronso are not.

you kind of proved her point though by using the words "making both genders available". that again assumes they are unavailable, but we know the reality is that they don't exist. The devs have to "Create" these genders, not unlock, not make available, not "genderlock to be removed". words matter.

[Kyuuen]

you kind of proved her point though by using the words "making both genders available". that again assumes they are unavailable, but we know the reality is that they don't exist. The devs have to "Create" these genders, not unlock, not make available, not "genderlock to be removed". words matter.

Which are just semantics, so no I didn't prove any point of hers. No one believes that they have the said genders behind lock and key and if they do they should be corrected for that stance. If you go through the 220+ pages of the Viera thread you'll find that most people are aware of the fact that they have to create said genders. The issue right now is that people are in a deadlock stare on the word Genderlock and would rather argue the semantics of the word as though it somehow dismisses peoples wishes for said Genders to be available.

You can't really make a claim that the vast majority aren't making those remarks or that only a few people are either unless you've got spreadsheets encompassing all three regions from every single player with their personal take on it. People really need to stop relying on "majority" and "minority" in a debate, it means nothing unless you have concrete facts to prove your point.

Actually I can, because I'm referring to those replies found in and on these forums. And considering I've been following the 220+ page Viera thread on the forums since it started it's fairly easy; and readily available, for me to make that claim and it's also readily available to you as well.

[Sigma-Astra]

Actually I can, because I'm referring to those replies found in and on these forums. And considering I've been following the 220+ page Viera thread on the forums since it started it's fairly easy; and readily available, for me to make that claim and it's also readily available to you as well.

The forums are not readily used by everyone who plays the game though, so no, you can't. If I claimed that the people using the forums were the vast majority vocalizing for the races to stay as they are, I'd get laughed at and rightfully so.

Using the forums as a factual measure isn't a good thing, even more so if you can't understand Japanese or the other languages to get an idea and feel towards what the other regions might think. You're literally pooling your facts and resources from a choice group of people on the NA side, claiming they're the majority, and then ignoring everyone else. Especially since that thread alone has several of the same people talking back and forth with replies in multiple cases.

It's a very dubious claim to make that hurts your point more than it helps.

[Kyuuen]

The forums are not readily used by everyone who plays the game though, so no, you can't. If I claimed that the people using the forums were the vast majority vocalizing for the races to stay as they are, I'd get laughed at and rightfully so.

Using the forums as a factual measure isn't a good thing, even more so if you can't understand Japanese or the other languages to get an idea and feel towards what the other regions might think. You're literally pooling your facts and resources from a choice group of people on the NA side, claiming they're the majority, and then ignoring everyone else. Especially since that thread alone has several of the same people talking back and forth with replies in multiple cases.

It's a very dubious claim to make that hurts your point more than it helps.

And you can have that argument with someone else as that was not my claim. I spoke of a majority and then in a later post amended that I was referring to these forums and the posters there. I'm not so naive as to believe the forums to be a majority of players, however I can speak to the majority of what I have seen here. Granted I'll give you that I can't speak for the other sections as far as the EU/JP forums where other languages are used.

Apologies for being unclear.

As to Reddit and other 'outsider' forums. My issue with that is that it can be just as bad as the official forums, but in the opposite manner. Here we're at least able say that these are people who play the game, whereas sites like Reddit there's no reliable way of telling if they've ever played the game.

Both are double edged swords in their own ways.

[Sigma-Astra]

And you can have that argument with someone else as that was not my claim. I spoke of a majority and then in a later post amended that I was referring to these forums and the posters there. I'm not so naive as to believe the forums to be a majority of players, however I can speak to the majority of what I have seen here. Granted I'll give you that I can't speak for the other sections as far as the EU/JP forums where other languages are used.

Apologies for being unclear.

As to Reddit and other 'outsider' forums. My issue with that is that it can be just as bad as the official forums, but in the opposite manner. Here we're at least able say that these are people who play the game, whereas sites like Reddit there's no reliable way of telling if they've ever played the game.

Both are double edged swords in their own ways.

My main point being is that we should just steer clear of using the terms "majority" or "minority" to make a point in any of this because in reality, we just don't know and relying on either side will show a clear bias that can easily be refuted. Are there some people on the forums that are really vocal about these things? Yes. Are they still the majority even if we were strictly referring towards just these forums and the posters here? I'd still say no, because none of us here would even know an accurate total or number of the "usual" or "daily" forum faces that frequent here to begin with. Sometimes I see names that I recognize, sometimes I don't.

Who on earth knows what the majority of people here or not are. It's an almost impossible task honestly. We would need like....a timecard system just to see who is more of a regular than another.

[Kyuuen]

My main point being is that we should just steer clear of using the terms "majority" or "minority" to make a point in any of this because in reality, we just don't know and relying on either side will show a clear bias that can easily be refuted. Are there some people on the forums that are really vocal about these things? Yes. Are they still the majority even if we were strictly referring towards just these forums and the posters here? I'd still say no, because none of us here would even know an accurate total or number of the "usual" or "daily" forum faces that frequent here to begin with. Sometimes I see names that I recognize, sometimes I don't.

Who on earth knows what the majority of people here or not are. It's an almost impossible task honestly. We would need like....a timecard system just to see who is more of a regular than another.

Fair enough. ^^;

[Nora_of_Mira]

Which are just semantics, so no I didn't prove any point of hers. No one believes that they have the said genders behind lock and key and if they do they should be corrected for that stance. If you go through the 220+ pages of the Viera thread you'll find that most people are aware of the fact that they have to create said genders. The issue right now is that people are in a deadlock stare on the word Genderlock and would rather argue the semantics of the word as though it somehow dismisses peoples wishes for said Genders to be available.

If I was on your side, I would still make the same argument. I would be upset that people agreeing with me are presenting their arguments/support for more gender options in a way that dismisses how hard the dev have to work and how long it would actually take. to quote the OP:

I want to make this thread to remind SE that a majority of their playerbase wants genderlock to be removed as soon as possible, and I want to use this thread to keep reminding them about it.

like they don't already know? they need reminded? Imagine coming into work and reading that message when your dev team has been discussing this idea at length for the last year or so and had to make the hard decision knowing there was going to be divisive feedback.

Please SE, just make an official response soon. It's getting quite annoying to have to wait so much for you to say that we will get genderlock lifted

this dismisses literally everyone in the dev team who fought for having 2 separate races with 1 gender each to meet customer expectations of having viera and beastly cats. OP also just assumes the genders will be released no matter what...

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but anyway, my point is that using these reactionary, entitled arguments is setting the OP up to be entirely dismissed by the dev team and I would still argue semantics whether I'm supporting more gender options or not.