Genderlock reminder to SE

[Zsolen]

I'd honestly favor a gender lock, so I guess I'm the boogeyman. I'm not a fan of changing lore for these types of purposes. Lore does evolve, but one of the biggest allures of male viera is the rarity and vastly different outlook on life. Some people will point out certain mounts and attire, but you can explain away much of that a lot easier than the introduction of new playable races. People really wanted a new bestial race, but some also wanted viera. I do not think either was needed, but their inclusion is understandable and easier to explain than male viera. Female hrothgar get the unfortunate boot, due to SE wanting to make female viera and will likely want to keep the genders balanced afterwards.

[Alucard135]

I don't understand people getting so offended that we're requesting something be added to the game. If it bothers you that much, why not ignore the subject altogether? You guys are the ones traipsing into threads talking about the genderlock. What did you expect?

Why don't you guys go harass the people who have been asking for the hempen panty sets be unlocked for the different races for years? That breaks the lore too. :v A hyur isn't going to want to wear the same style panties as an elezen. Their cultures are completely different.

People are not offended by that. I'm not against bringing both genders for the new races. If they can do that without taking massive resources from other content, then by all means let them do it. Those asking for Hempen panty won't cause the dev team to shift a major portion of their resources to do it. That's why no one is having an issue with that.

Let's look what OP was saying

I want to make this thread to remind SE that a majority of their playerbase wants genderlock to be removed as soon as possible

How did he know it was a majority of the playerbase? There is no proof of any side of the argument being the majority. What does he mean by as soon as possible? before 5.0? mid 5.0? if it was at 6.0, then he should wait for his post for another two years.

Please SE, just make an official response soon. It's getting quite annoying to have to wait so much for you to say that we will get genderlock lifted

And here's the big issue. OP feels that he's entitled to get a response from SE as soon as possible. Even though Yoshi P said he won't give one soon. We all know if anything is going to happen it's either gonna be during 6.0 or 7.0. So his post is now pointless. OP basically gave those against gender-locking a case to oppose his request. He wants the dev team to drop everything just to give him a response and remove gender-lock as soon as possible.

[MsQi]

I'd honestly favor a gender lock, so I guess I'm the boogeyman. I'm not a fan of changing lore for these types of purposes. Lore does evolve, but one of the biggest allures of male viera is the rarity and vastly different outlook on life. Some people will point out certain mounts and attire, but you can explain away much of that a lot easier than the introduction of new playable races. People really wanted a new bestial race, but some also wanted viera. I do not think either was needed, but their inclusion is understandable and easier to explain than male viera. Female hrothgar get the unfortunate boot, due to SE wanting to make female viera and will likely want to keep the genders balanced afterwards.

Lore talks about the history and cultural traditions of groups of people; what they normally do. It does not touch on what an individual might choose to do. Adventurers, especially the Warrior of Light, are outside those norms.

[Wynn_Storm]

I didn't make this topic and I don't think we need anymore topics about the subject either. I just take issue with how dismissive people are being of others opinions. People don't get that this goes both ways. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the matter and trying to undermine people just because you're annoyed that they keep making topics about it is just shortsighted to me. Most people who want the genderlocks removed aren't making new topics about it. If we all were you'd have like 3000 of them.

I know you didn't make this thread, i'm speaking in a general term not singling you out.

That being said, i can understand why people are annoyed when this topic keeps being brought up constantly. Its the fact of the matter that the people who keep making these topics don't check any facts or anything before posting.

So we have to constantly see uninformed people spreading their opinion around. Sure you are entitled to your opinion, but we don't need a whole thread for your opinion. What the OP said wasn't ground breaking or so unique. He could have easily posted this in one of the existing threads.

I don't think everyone is being dismissive, they are just being realistic about the matter. Their is no genderlock because male viera and female ronso don't even exist. You can't lock something out that isn't even created. If there were male viera and female ronso npcs in ShB then i would agree. But there is going to be none.

And i really doubt there would be 3000 posts my dear, i doubt 3000 people even use this forum daily.

[Lacan]

People still don't understand what genderlocked means. It refers to that fact that if you want to play a certain race you are locked into a certain gender. Just like if something is racelocked you have to be a certain race. Other mmos have racelocked jobs that are only open to players based on what race they picked at the start. Miqote and Roegadyn were genderlocked in 1.0. If you wanted to be one you had to play as either a female or male respectively. It isn't trying to say that they exist in the game's code and were dummied out.

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

[Sigma-Astra]

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

Genderlock isn't even a real terminology used by actual video game developers and designers. It's not even something that can be found within a dictionary. It was something that the players and public made themselves.

Let's not pretend that it's actually a professional or real term used within the industry and don't tell others that they can't comment on an issue for terminology that doesn't even exist and was fan-made to describe a situation that people don't like instead of simply just saying what it is outright. "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made."

If something was locked, it's implied that it was already made but you're prohibited from using it outright. Nothing was made, therefore nothing was locked. A door is locked, you obviously can't go through it even though you want to get to the other side.

Male Viera and female Hrothgar aren't locked behind a door that you can't get through. They were simply just not made. That's it.

[Lacan]

Genderlock isn't even a real terminology used by actual video game developers and designers. It's not even something that can be found within a dictionary. It was something that the players and public made themselves.

Let's not pretend that it's actually professional or real terms used within the industry and don't tell others that they can't comment on an issue for terminology that doesn't even exist and was fan-made to describe a situation that people don't like instead of simply just saying what it is outright. "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made."

If you want to misunderstand a term people are already using, be my guest. Saying "genderlocked" is a lot simpler than typing out "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made" every time. That's the reason people came up with it in the first place. It boils down to semantics.

If something was locked, it's implied that it was already made but you're prohibited from using it outright. Nothing was made, therefore nothing was locked. A door is locked, you obviously can't go through it even though you want to get to the other side.

Male Viera and female Hrothgar aren't locked behind a door that you can't get through. They were simply just not made. That's it.

You're misinterpreting it. That isn't what people mean when they say it, but if it makes you feel clever to point that out, good for you I guess? No one is arguing that male Viera and female Hrothgar are already in the game and just waiting to be unlocked. There is nothing to indicate that.

[Sigma-Astra]

If you want to misunderstand a term people are already using, be my guest. Saying "genderlocked" is a lot simpler than typing out "I can't play this race under this gender because it wasn't made" every time. That's the reason people came up with it in the first place. It boils down to semantics.

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

You're misinterpreting it. That isn't what people mean when they say it, but if it makes you feel clever to point that out, good for you I guess?

No, I'm not. You're being passive aggressive towards other people for not adhering to your own definition of a word that gets so freely thrown around these days while insinuating you know more about the word than they do. If it's not what you mean, then speak more clearly and stop relying on shortcuts to suit your argument, otherwise, people are going to find those holes.

No one is arguing that male Viera and female Hrothgar are already in the game and just waiting to be unlocked. There is nothing to indicate that.

You tell that one to the OP.

[Nora_of_Mira]

The point of the threads are just to show SE that there is interest in male Viera and female Hrothgar. That's it.

Please don't comment on things if you don't understand how the terminology works. :v

this is a discussion board.

[Lacan]

It boils down towards people being lazy and making up a word to describe something that they don't want to type out and now, years down the line, people are misconstruing that "Genderlock" can be applied towards things not even made in the first place so they can have an excuse to call game developers sexist.

Genderlock can refer to things that weren't made in the first place though. It refers to anything that you have to be a certain gender to make use of. You're making up your own definition of what the word means.