Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[ArianeEwah]

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Do you have any idea how hard it can be to hold aggro as a tank when DPS decides to ignore diversion?
I'll give you a good (and unfortunately common) example: A PLD in Shield Oath is about to pull with Shield Lob. This is already a bad situation, as PLD never want to pull in Shield Oath with Shield Lob, but Sword Oath and Holy Spirit... anyway... there is you - this typical pre-casting Veraero RDM - without diversion. Do you know how much enmity a Shiled Oath-Shield Lob generates?
About 1930 potency! Yeah, awesome, no problem, right? WRONG!
A tank's main stat on SAME iLvl is about 80-85% of DPS job (On iLvl 400 ~2650 STR to ~3250 INT/DEX/STR/MND). So our generated enmity potency is reduced to about 1550. If this PLD is unlucky and his Shield Lob doesn't hit with a crit, but this particular RDM gets 2 Crit-DH on both Veraero and Verthunder... that's already over 1240 potency. Now add another oGCD or 2 from this RDM, and guess what the boss does? It will target the RDM, most likely catching the PLD by surprise, unable to react to the sudden switch of the boss. Also, do you know what can happen in the first few seconds of a boss fight? A tank buster! Have fun eating it, and you know what? It's not the PLD's fault, they did all they could to maintain aggro in those few seconds! It's your fault for being lazy to use diversion before you pre-cast Veraero. Which btw costs you NOTHING.
This situation occurs more often when the tank has lower iLvl than the DPS. Even worse when they decide to get into a (leveling) dungeon undergeared.

[Sheriyana]

Dont you get a couple of poetics on the way to 70? So garlond or shire gear is easy to get or not? So whats the problem?

Well usually these people are leveling alts so they don't get the extra poetics and even if they were new and/or had the poetics they either don't know, or care to get better gear, no matter how easy it is.

[Crushnight]

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

This is pure laziness that white weapon you ignored was vastly more powerful that that lv59 weapon and cost alot less than 100k for the nq version you were nothing but a hindrance to every party you were in, you are the type of player that shows we need a min ilv on these leveling dungeons because i can tell you right now any healer that dps even a little was out dpsing you and rdm damage scales higher than hlrs. You should respect other people even people you may never see again because i'd bet you would want to be respected if you were properly geared and someone else did what you did.

[Reinha]

Leveling dungeons should have a gear requirement 15 item levels below the gear they drop. This would bring them into line with level 50, 60 and 70 dungeons.

For Stormblood this would mean
-245 Sirensong
-255 Shisui
-261 Bardam
-267 Doma
-273 Castrum

And lastly Ala Mhigo requires item level 280 which is a steady increase to the previous gear requirements.

[Awful]

Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Lmao what? A crutch? You actually have no idea what you're talking about it's just common sense how do I do my burst without pulling threat? Diversion. This game revolves around burst damage and Diversion literally costs you 1 OGCD so you can properly DPS without building up hate, I'd love to see you tank a BLM who has a Foul and goes ham when you just used Shield Lob/Unmend/Tomahawk who actually is geared and knows their rotation you'd be like "WhY aReN't YoU uSiNg DiVeRsIoN!?" or hell any kind of tank.

You are ignorant it's pretty easy to see that you don't understand that Diversion only helps you DPS and help the tank it's not some trophy to pull hate from the tank specially in Savage when you have to Shrik while being out of tank stance to DPS unless you're a turtle tank then yeah you'll never understand.

[KDSilver]

DPS refusing to use diversion for whatever reason while it's just a one-pressed-button-job-done it's just laughable to read.
Because why make things easier when you can make it worse right.

[Campi]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Pls learn first how this game works, before you give advice to other ppl

[GeminiXIV]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Hahahaha.

This post is so hilariously painful that it broke my 2 year lurk streak.

[Liam_Harper]

after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

And here we have an example of why we need ilv requirements on dungeons. Case rested.

[HyoMinPark]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Diversion is a crutch for poor tank play? Please.

You are absolutely ignorant of how important Diversion is; that's why people are treating you as such. Your posts sound exactly like something someone who has never played DPS or tanks at a high skill level would say.

EDIT: Yep. Doesn't even have tanks unlocked, save for DRK - which is level 30. But you obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to tank aggro, tank play, and Diversion. Give me a break. Play a tank at level 70 against a good DPS that refuses to quell their aggro, and then come back to me about how Diversion is a crutch.

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

"I doubt this actually happens."
"I used a level 59 weapon until Castrum Abania."

Congratulations on your contradiction.


Your weapon in anything past Gubal Library (NM) was a hinderance. It didn't seem like a problem because your parties for the other dungeons carried you (for some reason). Don't be lazy - buy a decent weapon. 270 Shire weapons can be purchased for half the poetics they used to cost, and last until Bardam's/Doma for DPS jobs. This game barfs tomestones at you, so use them. Stop being a hinderance.