Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Kuroka]

Ok but they need ti give the revelent gear in the msq or some side quest of the assosiated town/village a t that point of the msq so people who just want to do quest can

No. You are supposed to work for your stuff and put effort, the game is not about gettin free loot. Tbh i wished quests would never give gear or just one catch up set on release.

We dont get free gear during endgame stuff either, so why should it be any different during leveling?

I believe its part of the problem ppl use way outdated gear, the game teaches it way too late...

[JBee]

I've been strongly in favor of minimum ilvl requirements for all dungeons for a long time. Don't make them too strict - shouldn't be required to be overgeared to run something, but should be able to positively contribute to the run.

A lot of people use the Deep Dungeons to level their DPS jobs now - it's brainless, repetitive, and something you can fill 15-20 minutes with... and you don't have to spend gil or time gearing your jobs up through the process. Run PotD until 60, get poetics gear at 60, run a couple roulettes until 61, and then back into HoH you go...where gear still doesn't matter. But sometimes, the DDs get to be a little much and people want to sprinkle in some roulettes. Or maybe they had no intention of taking "Job Alt #7: into a dungeon at all and a friend was leveling their tank or healer and asked them to join... well sure, I have this job close in level.... And bam. You're in a dungeon woefully undergeared. There was no laziness or ill intent involved - just something that never came up until it did, and it was too late.

Or you could do like I did myself - gear up at 60 in Augmented Shire on your next to lass job to cap out, into HoH you go, mixed in with MSQ Roulette, and you had no intention of stepping foot in content where your ilvl was so low that it could be argued you "didn't belong" there. And when you get to level 69 you're just trying to finish it out before the end of the night so you jump in a trial roulette for a hit of exp - and oops, Lakshmi.

But if there had been a minimum ilvl for Emanation, it wouldn't have stuck an i270 in a level 67 trial.

Additionally, to expand on what I was meaning earlier on Diversion... If you have an overgeared high dps player going against a newer tank (maybe undergeared, maybe not), that tank is going to have to put some effort into holding agro. Not just one different button here and there but likely it will mess up their whole rhythm, which is pretty frustrating for anyone in any role. If I am on RDM and the DRK pulls the boss - and I immediately hit my melee combo, Embolden, VerFlare, Contre Sixte, and Fleche.... of course I am taking agro. If any high burst dps throws the kitchen sink at the boss right out the gate it's going to work the same way. It's not hard to hit Diversion before the fight even starts to try to take some edge off of that. Or learn some of your skills - and maybe toss in a Lucid Dreaming to lower your agro, since you wont be needing mana for a while anyway.

I've had the conversation with many players - players who think that enmity is only the tank's job when that is absolutely false. Enmity is a group effort. Problems happen when 1) the Non-Tanks refuse to use their abilities to manage their agro when necessary and 2) the Tank is unable to keep agro, regardless of reason (skill, gear, competence, etc). And a sorely undergeared Tank will struggle to keep agro off the overgeared dps, most of the time... Which leads to smaller pulls... Which leads to antsy dps/healer.... Which leads to just a bad time overall.

[KDSilver]

When you can't even cast one Cure II or Regen and have every mobs on you, even by Lucid dreaming but you are forced to heal yourself like crazy or you'll die anyway and you'll have aggro whatever you do as a healer because tanks gears are so low it'll be impossible for him to keep mobs on him, yes there's a tiny prob.

[Mesarthim]

If people are running out of space on their controller configurations then they are doing something wrong or haven't fully learned how to set up hotkeys. I am also a controller user and I have easy access to:

Hotbar 1, the primary hotbar.
Hotbar 2, for infrequent things like summoning, protect, chocobo, etc. Manually access by a single R1 tap (second R1 tap swaps back to 1). Also has misc things like 1,2,3,4 markers.
Hotbar 3: I Access by holding both R2 and L2 for easy immediate access to another 8 buttons, and can be set up for an additional 8 depending on which trigger you held down first (R2+L2 or L2+R2)
Hotbar 4: I set up for access by double tapping L2 or R2 to access this. That's another 16 buttons right there.

So 16+16+16+8+8. That's up to 64 easily accessed buttons. If I can fit everything necessary for a paladin, you can fit everything on a dps.

Also put a minimum ilvl for leveling dungeons. I've also fallen victim to people's lack of gear knowledge or intentional negligence.

[Wolwosh]

The other day I got a tank as a healer with a lot of Shisui pieces(63) in the Ala Mhigo dungeon. The least you could do is finish your job quest and get the free relic gear

[Anselmet]

Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

That's hot crock of bs. A drg, due to how much our class produces agro, can easily pull any boss off of good tanks with our openers. This is the same across many classes. Some of us have learned by have a boss eat our faces off to click one measly button to prevent this issue. And even then if its a mob of monsters how hard is it to press a button? Agro isn't proof of dps prowess that's for sure, let alone a tanks ability.

Like I cannot understand your peoples argument. Its an instant skill that you can press before a pull. Seems to me you just wanna be lazy and point fingers at the tank instead of reflecting.

[Banriikku]

@Eli85 No Diversion ? Why ? Dead DPS/Healer dont do anything ... whats the benefit ? Or do you think tanks should not DPS and healers should only heal then ? Please no....

And yes please - we need a ilvl requirement for ALL dungeons. Nothing harsh but something that tells you "nope take that bikini off and wear some proper gear!"

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

[MariaArvana]

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

...level 59? You do realize that you were missing nearly 31 weapon damage in comparison to the 270 shire right? (and that's not even including the missing INT). You may have been 'fine', but your damage output would not be, no matter how skilled you are. I sincerely hope you levelled through HoH and didn't subject any actual sirensong+ groups to a i148 weapon.

Your statement is literally the reason why people are asking for ilvl checks, to prevent that EXACT thing from happening.

[Sheriyana]

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

There's a surprising amount of people who don't see the value in accessories and just go into SB leveling dungeons in HW leveling dungeon accessories. And for the people like you who doubt this is actually happening as a problem, I have seen a paladin in Doma Castle using a upgraded ironworks weapon. It doesn't matter if you're the best player in the world, you're not clearing Doma Castle as a tank with an ironworks weapon, you can't hold aggro for longer than half a second.