Gender locked race?

[Lacan]

I believe it, and I support you voicing your opinion. It's just the way people are doing it that I have to post responses to. For example, posting that Hrothgar (which we've ever seen before!) would just be a Roe with long hair? Ridiculous. And yet that got support somehow. And really it's not irritating. I just feel like it's a good use of my time to point out these things when I see them and sigh. If "the gays" continue to voice their opinions, I'm sure Yoshi will notice, we will see how long it takes to make any difference. I disagree with it being a goof-up though, because really it's just a matter of perspective.

That's fair, I can understand that! I'm interested to see Hrothgar as well. I just don't want them to come at the expense of male Viera. The problem is that in a situation like this, people are bound to reactive negatively to Hrothgar regardless of how great there are just because we're basically being told "you're not getting what you want, you're getting this instead" and that is going to color perspectives no matter how SE spins it. Really, the whole thing is doing a disservice to both races. You're going to get people who hate Hrothgar out of the gate as a result, it's unavoidable.

[cicatriz313]

Ok...but then why suggest a petition then? That people posting in this thread are leaning towards supporting Viera males when this thread started with the ability/inability to play as Viera males makes sense. Would a request thread massively change it’s replies or status as an echo chamber? ^^;


I can't speak for others but there theres no real swaying me on this topic. A good portion (if not the bulk of) of my OF posts have been arguing about lock and favoritisms in relation to glamours, hairstyles, and the like. That I might be missing out on a playable race taht I've been looking forward to since I joined the game is worth bumping an "echo chamber" over.

You're conflating two points. The point of the petition would be a cohesive statement that's simple to understand and plain to see how many people are for your point. This thread being an echo chamber was because you said in paraphrase "lol well more people are responding positively than negatively" which... of course they are. People who either want something other than male Viera or are neutral probably aren't seeking out a thread to post complaints. People who are seeking such thread, are doing so to find a group of like minded people. That's the echo chamber. A petition can't be an echo chamber because in theory, if people didn't argue back and forth, it would just be a bunch of signed statements of desire. One post per person, no need to go any deeper than that to make your point.

And really, I'm not trying to sway you or anyone. I don't care if you're for or against genderlocking. My points have been, for the most part, responses to people either saying things that were in my mind illogical, or to people saying outlandish things, like being entitled to what they want. I've never said "you should stop wanting male Viera that's stupid". Or, "genderlocking is good for the community, you should change your mind!" I agree that if everyone got everything they wanted it would be amazing and we could all go home happy. I'm saying that based on what we know, it's looking like it's not going to happen, and since you will probably have to keep voicing your dissatisfaction, probably do it without using the word "entitled". (Not you, the other guy redcurrant).

[Rokke]

You're conflating two points. The point of the petition would be a cohesive statement that's simple to understand and plain to see how many people are for your point. This thread being an echo chamber was because you said in paraphrase "lol well more people are responding positively than negatively" which... of course they are. People who either want something other than male Viera or are neutral probably aren't seeking out a thread to post complaints. People who are seeking such thread, are doing so to find a group of like minded people. That's the echo chamber. A petition can't be an echo chamber because in theory, if people didn't argue back and forth, it would just be a bunch of signed statements of desire. One post per person, no need to go any deeper than that to make your point.

The issue I'm trying to get across is that on these forums all petitions inevitably become this thread: Someone wanted more male glamours to counter balance the female exclusives. People decided to make it an argument. Someone wanted more class based items to be unlocked or to have unlocked variants. People decided to make it an argument. The infamous bunny outfit? Arguments. The old forum post I linked (somewhere in these 222 pages) where a person started up a request thread for male miqo/fem roes/fem highlanders? “Unlocking races are a waste of resources” “Don’t we have more important issues?” “Playable [insert race here] would be lore breaking” “In XI…”

[cicatriz313]

The issue I'm trying to get across is that on these forums all petitions inevitably become this thread: Someone wanted more male glamours to counter balance the female exclusives. People decided to make it an argument. Someone wanted more class based items to be unlocked or to have unlocked variants. People decided to make it an argument. The infamous bunny outfit? Arguments. The old forum post I linked (somewhere in these 222 pages) where a person started up a request thread for male miqo/fem roes/fem highlanders? “Unlocking races are a waste of resources” “Don’t we have more important issues?” “Playable [insert race here] would be lore breaking” “In XI…”

I can see that. It's probably naive to think a thread could stay on point and civil. I guess there's no point in trying to call people out on being extreme because it's just a thing that happens in online forums. I just hope they have some way to measure how impactful decisions like this would really be, rather than just seeing a page number on a forum.

[JamiaHaab]

At least these argumentative lalafell are inflating the thread till fanfest. Then Senn can make the real thread.

[cicatriz313]

Which is precisely why page numbers/making the front page or whatever is meaningless. P.S. what is "Senn"?

[artyport]

Can we get omega m with bunny ears plz.

[redcurrant18]

Yes they do look like beasts and all that's missing here is the Hellsguard nose.



Now give us the bunnies and hopefully whenever Hrothgar are released they'll be a full race.

[JamiaHaab]

Red, you're not helping the cause so just drop the Roe thing. They can turn your argument around and say that elezen with bunny ears are Viera. Plus it's safe so say that hrothgar are a thing.

[redcurrant18]

Red, you're not helping the cause so just drop the Roe thing. They can turn your argument around and say that elezen with bunny ears are Viera. Plus it's safe so say that hrothgar are a thing.

But they do look like that race from Bless with only minor differences. The fact is no one can deny that there would be no way to make male Viera in the game if they are not officially released without using mods. The bara crowd has its needs met with Roegadyn but mine are not.