Rework Bluemage!

[Phoenicia]

Something the producer mentioned in an article recently;

"The release of Blue Mage did not fall far from my expectations — the job was not meant to be subject to the standard rules of FF14 gameplay that players are used to, but rather it was meant to give players freedom in the way they approach the job. That is why it is a “limited job” only in the sense of content matching; there is no limit to the type of play style, and that was the initial concept behind it."

Source: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...hida-interview

First of all, I don't give a rat's tail about Yoshi's opinion on the matter. This is a forum where I can provide MY feedback. And MY feedback is what you quoted in your post which is as follows:

Imposed limitations are stupid. If you want to limit yourself to only <insert activity here> on a 1 job, go ahead and do JUST that, don't ask SE to cap that job to level and make it unable to access duties through normal means. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If you do not want to do dungeons, raids or other fun content you don't enjoy on a normally functional BLU that can STILL learn abilities from mobs and still have its own Carnivale mini-game, be my guest. But don't block ME from using the job in what "I" enjoy. That's pretty damn selfish of you.

You see? We are not asking for YOU to LOSE YOUR FUN. We are asking to STILL HAVE OUR FUN ALONG WITH YOU. We all can wear our nice blue dresses and t-shirts, and if you wanna stay home to play with your dolls or action figures while we hang out in the streets then it is 100% up to you. You can have your fun while we also have our fun. You don't lock the door and go "If I stay home you stay home!" That's childish.

How is it ANY different if PLD had its mini-game of Colosseum, yet it remained this fully functional tank in raids or dungeons? If you don't want to tank dungeons on your PLD, then don't. You can always stand half-naked in Limsa doing /boxstep or whatever other things people enjoy doing in there.

This is getting silly because it is starting to feel that SE isn't giving content to its actual players and would rather spend their VERY LIMITED RESOURCES, as they keep claiming (They're not even adding butt sliders ffs!) on content that few people would enjoy a few days then move on.

Second thing is, the SE dev team have a funny way of admitting where they go wrong. (They just don't do it).

When NIN first came out and it was ridiculously broken they came with the excuse where "PLAYERS" used rotations they didn't plan. I mean, do they even read the tooltips of the skills they place into the game? Every class has 1 possible rotation because of how the general game's rotation-formula works: apply DoTs, apply buffs, by the time you do damage combo DoT needs to be reapplied, and by the time you do buffs need to be reapplied.

Yoshi-P did not want to buff PLD in Heavensward even though it was apepoop bad. Claiming that DRK does the same DPS if it was given slashing (and it didin't) and WAR being the "DPS tank" at the cost of mitigation (but it mitigated more) and PLD is the "defensive tank" so its DPS should be low.... PLD was bad in HW because its mitigation AND DPS sucked. But nope, PLD defensive tank LOL.

This is also the same team that said WAR in 2.0 was "strong", just google 2.0 WAR and you'll understand what I mean. Nvm, I'll do it for you: Check this.

I can go on, but I'll stop here.

If you enjoy BLU, go play it. But stop fighting those that want it to be MORE FUN. Apparently you don't like fun.

[MrKimper]

It's a moot point, Yoshida doesn't seem to have any plans to unlimit it, he's sticking to his guns on this one. Nuff said.

[Kurando]

snip.

I was just sharing the source to add it to the discussion because it was relevant to what you said, though not sure where the rest of the tone of your post is directed exactly, at me or SE, the wording seems very pointed. At the end of the day you can give a rats ass or don't (I don't know you, it's not my problem) SE are sticking to what they think is the right course so you could post feedback all day about it, but they have a clear idea of what they want.

If you enjoy BLU, go play it. But stop fighting those that want it to be MORE FUN. Apparently you don't like fun.

Also players have varied sources of fun and often to many different degrees to everyone else. What you might find fun may not be fun to another player, so it's kinda ironic for you to bring up something being selfish when you highlight that exact trait yourself.

Also here is another source article cementing their intentions for blu.
https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv...1832757804/amp

[Valdegarde]

This is...very disappointing news, to say the least. I don't really like the direction this game is going if iconic jobs like this are being treated in such a manner and fan feedback is being immediately disregarded. I'm not going to be one of those people that uses unsubbing as blackmail, but...I think it's time for me to take a good, long break from this game, for my own hopefully continued enjoyment in the future.

[Kalise]

Also here is another source article cementing their intentions for blu.
https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv...1832757804/amp

Additionally, blue magic is interesting because they are powerful.

https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

[Maero]

Not everyone dislikes Blu in it's current form but i would imagine the % is lower then that of those that don't care for it.

I'll die of laughter if the next healer becomes limited. Dancer limited lmao

You sir, are not funny at all.

[Phoenicia]

I was just sharing the source to add it to the discussion because it was relevant to what you said, though not sure where the rest of the tone of your post is directed exactly, at me or SE, the wording seems very pointed. At the end of the day you can give a rats ass or don't (I don't know you, it's not my problem) SE are sticking to what they think is the right course so you could post feedback all day about it, but they have a clear idea of what they want.



Also players have varied sources of fun and often to many different degrees to everyone else. What you might find fun may not be fun to another player, so it's kinda ironic for you to bring up something being selfish when you highlight that exact trait yourself.

Also here is another source article cementing their intentions for blu.
https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv...1832757804/amp

lol. How is my opinion a demonstration of selfishness? This is a forum for feedback, not complaining and arguing with others that their "whining" is unneeded because you like something as is.

You fighting back the people that are asking for inclusion is an act of selfishness.

Me asking that my inclusion does not exclude you is NOT selfish.

Opinions can't be selfish, they are just opinions.

My post isn't exactly directed at anyone but it has a "point" that seems to have flew right past your head. SE devs can make mistakes (they're human), and on the many times they have done so, they "stood adamant" in denying their mistakes.

2.0 WAR too weak? "Warrior is strong, it is working as intended. You head damage after you take it." but that is pointless if you can't survive taking the damage before you can attempt to heal it.

In 2.3 NIN came out too strong? It wasn't their fault, the players used rotations that wasn't intended.

HW PLD too weak? "Defensive Tank". (lol)

Blue Mage is not what we asked for? "The release of Blue Mage did not fall far from my expectations".

It's a moot point, Yoshida doesn't seem to have any plans to unlimit it, he's sticking to his guns on this one. Nuff said.

Yoshi-P and the Dev team need to keep face at the end of the day, it's understandable. However, it doesn't matter how "Clear" their stance is on something. The chance that they might succumb to what the players are actually asking for is still possible, their "clear" stance on WAR's strength in 2.0 got reversed with 2.1 buffing WAR into the beast we have now. Some-times it takes much longer, an entire expansion longer like the case of HW PLD, and suddenly this "defensive tank" is doing too much DPS and ended up too overpowered that it needed 4 nerfs and for the other two tanks to get a rework and the other to get 3 buffs to finally "get in line".

Stances can change.

[MrKimper]

Yoshi-P and the Dev team need to keep face at the end of the day, it's understandable. However, it doesn't matter how "Clear" their stance is on something. The chance that they might succumb to what the players are actually asking for is still possible, their "clear" stance on WAR's strength in 2.0 got reversed with 2.1 buffing WAR into the beast we have now. Some-times it takes much longer, an entire expansion longer like the case of HW PLD, and suddenly this "defensive tank" is doing too much DPS and ended up too overpowered that it needed 4 nerfs and for the other two tanks to get a rework and the other to get 3 buffs to finally "get in line".

Stances can change.

The issue here is that this is an entire jobs design, and from what I can gather yoshida would be looking at it from the perspective of us asking for DRK to be a DPS or SAM to be Tank, it clashes completely with the vision he has for not only the job but how it's integrated into the game on a fundamental level. I don't think any amount of wait and see is going to change that, changes to eureka are more likely than changes to BLU at this point because it's quite obvious yoshida is determined to high hell to keep it this way and bar it from duty finder. Feedback be damned.

It feels discouraging but at the end of the day I don't think there's enough CONCENTRATED outrage anywhere to give them any signal, and I'm quite sure they disregard forum posts.

[Kurando]

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That's pretty damn selfish of you.

As I stated, it was not clear whether your response was directed at me personally or if your target was SE hence when you mentioned the above. The wording seemed like it was at me and the tone of the rest of the post did as well. To which I thought hold on, BLU isn't my creation why is she/he coming at me about it. I'm also in no way saying players can't ask for change, I'm not stopping them from doing that at all nor am I shutting them down at every instance, so to say I'm fighting back is an act of selfish on this occasion is wholeheartedly incorrect, I'm sharing my opinion on the situation just like everyone else and yourself. I also never once used the term "whining", try not to quote things that aren't there. It could very well just be miscommunication that got us here, so let's leave that there shall we and focus on the topic.

However if we go on the facts (which is why sources are provided) SE have a roadmap on what they want to do and that it seems to be sticking to that for the time being (so lvl cap to 60, more spells, carnival stuff etc). I want to see how these pan out before advocating for any kind of rework, but I'm not against anything happening sooner, I just think it would still be premature at this stage and that BLU hasn't been around long enough to warrant it.

Yes it's true the devs stance might change, the job could very well go in a different direction perhaps one that more players prefer, but as I highlighted earlier in the thread it's difficult to get an exact idea of what players actually want moving forward. Some want a full job, some don't, if anything SE needs to do an actual official survey for the job sent to everyone (with sub) so they can get the required feedback, the forums are not enough to get a big picture. As either SE read select feedback and take it BLU is fine, or they are in a bubble and it's not, meaning they COULD be in denial but I don't know how they correlate their data for this stuff.

I also probably wouldn't use previous jobs as an example (PLD, NIN, WAR) as they were not Limited Jobs, and changes made to them had a greater effect on gameplay in comparison to BLU. Like Yoshi mentioned in that article they thought BLU was powerful (take that as you will), but as they restricted the job anyway they probably aren't putting balance as a priority, it doesn't really matter if they are under or over powered, at least for now.

[Phoenicia]

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Using a hypothetical "you" is easier to express some discussions which might deliver a better message.

As for "waiting long enough to warrant it", it depends on many things and speaking from experience, if they "wait" until something warrants change, it is already too late. ESPECIALLY when you account for their very limited resources and the player-base perceptions, which is very slow to change because first impressions matter most. Just look at tanks in Stormblood, SE removed the stance switch gauge penalty as they released Deltascape, people just didn't use WAR. DRK got 3 buffs and PLD 4 nerfs, yet when given the option people would exclude DRK from their groups.

We should use previous jobs as examples as they are "content". Content and jobs are made by the same people. They made mistakes when they were made or changed, "stuck to their guns" for a while, then submit to fix their mistakes. 2.0 WAR was a mistake. 2.3 NIN power was a mistake. HW PLD was a mistake. Diadem was a mistake.

Yoshida said 2.0 WAR was powerful in a very similar article back in 2013 just like how is he claiming BLU is strong now in an article in 2019. It's irrelevant what he thinks or says. He will say anything to save face.

So what they did with BLU is also a mistake in the form that it is not what the people that wanted BLU asked for. I personally was on the indifferent camp to be frank, but seeing how, despite complaining about all the limited resources to why we're not getting many things we ask for, we are getting content we're not even asking for.

Regardless of whither an unidentified amount of people like said content or not. People played and mained HW PLD. Others enjoyed Diadem. I, myself, played 2.0 WAR. Did not mean that WAR did deserve buffs in 2.0, or HW PLD needed help or for Diadem to be rethought completely for them to create Eureka (which is a much better Diadem even though it is not my cup of tea).

Speaking of the "limited resource" excuse, I hate this more so than the old "memory limitation" back when they still had PS3 support. I mean what are they placing all money we keep forking for those extra retainers, mounts, outfits and fantasias, eh? As a paying customer, one of my simplest rights is to express where I am not satisfied by what I'm given for what I paid. Specially that one of the reasons I keep paying is the promise of future satisfaction with future content, of which BLU and Diadem did not fulfill.