Rework Bluemage!

[Mesarthim]

Bluemage in its current state is a time sink and nothing more.

I think that's putting it generously. It lasted 4 days for me.

Level 50.
All Achievements.
All Spells, including primal spells.

Now although it's only because I was lucky but I don't see how a 4 day timesink is supposed to keep me, or anyone else, playing for the long term. I completely ignore the weekly carnivale rewards because I don't need poetics or allied seals anymore. It was amusing for maybe a day or two.

If this is all a "limited job" is good for then any other limited job is going to be a mess. It's like "Hey fellow devs, what job should we throw under the bus next?" It is depressing he is doubling down on one of the worst things to have done in this game.

[Zerogunsoul81]

If this is all a "limited job" is good for then any other limited job is going to be a mess. It's like "Hey fellow devs, what job should we throw under the bus next?" It is depressing he is doubling down on one of the worst things to have done in this game.

I mean. This is the same guy who said 2.0 War was strong, blamed us for nin being super broken when it came out, and said that ast was a good job you just had to get good with it. If we keep putting on pressure he'll have no other choice but too, A. Rework it into a real job and not a stupid time waster or, B. Drop it entirely. Knowing how lazy him and his team can be sometimes my guess would be B.

[Neela]

I mean. If we keep putting on pressure he'll have no other choice...

serious? in the end he can do what ever he wants to do without giving a flying fuck about us...

I doubt SE really care about pressure - they will hold their expansion-plan for Blue before they will rework anything on it. Yet they already have more than 120+ spells programmed for the job with a masterplan in mind how those will be implemented. Im always surprised that the com really think they just have to cry louder for changes... in the end it doesn't matter as long as it claimed "limited". There is no reason to balance it out with other cls' yet. Becoming a normal job is just a wish, but they have no reason and we have no arguments to "force" any changes on it. Its promoted as "special new of a kind" - so if u like it or not - all the comparison with normal cls and end content are just senseless tbh...

People just mix up objective feedback and their very own opinions/demands - they can work with the first but should laugh about comments like "we just force them höhö"... because we actually can't - all we do is cry but thats far away from forcing anything.

[Dmhlucky]

I know different games, but Still SE. Ninja in XI was released as a DPS, and once the playerbase made it a tank, SE followed suit. Direction changes.

If people don't complain, SE won't know there is a problem. Most fixes happen because of feedback. Sometimes feedback comes in opinions/demands, which Can still be constructive.

They could very easily impose a level restriction on spells. 1k needles would be level 45, Primal spells, level 50. Overall Blu potancies are lower than most other jobs.

They really should give a valid reason why the job needs to remain limited other than "we goofed" because honestly, that's what we are seeing.

If they continue adding limited jobs, which is not confirmed for anything other than Blu, the player-base will eventually revolt. When it comes down to it, our opinions DO matter, because we are the consumer. And while the policy of "the customer is always right" isn't actually true, the policy of Make the customer happy, or they will stop paying, is a wise one to follow.

If you enjoy Blu as a limited Job, great for you, but i don't feel that's the majority opinion. What is the point of adding jobs they you can't play the full game with. Side content. And as jobs are the main focus of the game, it literally makes no sense to make one side content. That's why people class it with Gold saucer, its a party trick, with red tape as spells based on the RNG.

They should have just followed the XI model for Blu. It would have worked fine. Yes DF would be a little more tedious, as you would need to set your spells for each one, but that's something i could deal with. And overall i don't think i'm alone in this thought.

[Connor]

I always wonder how they’ll advertise Blue Mage in future.

“Here’s our resident limited job. Literally nobody asked for it to be a solo only husk of a job but here it is. We went out of our way to make sure nobody could use it as their main job. It can only be played in years old content, it cannot be used in a party under normal circumstances, it’s 20 levels below every other job, you have to spend a ton of time grinding for abilities you’ll never use outside of /gpose and masked carnival. Oh, and did we mention you need to gather a party to learn all of your abilities? It’s a solo only job but you’ll need to find a party to get your abilities from duty finder instances. You know, those things Blue Mage is locked out from unless in a premade”

[Leidiriv]

Y'know, if they rework BLU, they could easily adapt something like FF11's skillchain system into BLU's main mechanic, with a fixed toolkit for group content. It'd add a nice nostalgia nod to the class and it fits the way Martyn talked about the whole "using monster magic in unique combinations to confound your foes" sort of deal.

[Neela]

true words well spoken.

I never said they wouldn't recognize feedback, I just said we can't force them with pressure - thats a hughe different. ^^

[Kalise]

true words well spoken.

I never said they wouldn't recognize feedback, I just said we can't force them with pressure - thats a hughe different. ^^

Didn't we essentially pressure them INTO adding BLU in the first place?

Like, we kept pestering and they were all like "Nawww man, we cannae do it" then we pestered some more and they were all like "If we did it, we'd have to make it different to other classes" (Which, I and possibly others probably took to mean, having the learning mechanic in lieu of getting skills upon leveling/from job quests) and then we pestered EVEN MORE and then they added in BLU after they noticed that the game wasn't dying and was in fact growing with SB.

[Mito123]

Well thing is Japan also are commenting about blu and yet Yoshida still not acknowledging. I wonder if the moderator on here or whoever keeps track on the forums having a vacation because seems like to him everything going as planned. Unless he planned to let Blu die off and think that adding 120+ spells will fix it lol.

Community: " Blu is not working properly with it being solo, it's weak, needs improvement, please fix."
Yoshida: "Your right, let's add more spells"

[Kalise]

Well thing is Japan also are commenting about blu and yet Yoshida still not acknowledging. I wonder if the moderator on here or whoever keeps track on the forums having a vacation because seems like to him everything going as planned. Unless he planned to let Blu die off and think that adding 120+ spells will fix it lol.

Community: " Blu is not working properly with it being solo, it's weak, needs improvement, please fix."
Yoshida: "Your right, let's add more spells"

120 new spells.

119 of them are "Change into a different class that is actually useful"

1 of them is a suicide skill with a 0.00001% chance to instantly kill the target. Also, every enemy in the game is immune to it.