Rework Bluemage!

[Kalise]

The issue here is that this is an entire jobs design, and from what I can gather yoshida would be looking at it from the perspective of us asking for DRK to be a DPS or SAM to be Tank, it clashes completely with the vision he has for not only the job but how it's integrated into the game on a fundamental level. I don't think any amount of wait and see is going to change that, changes to eureka are more likely than changes to BLU at this point because it's quite obvious yoshida is determined to high hell to keep it this way and bar it from duty finder. Feedback be damned.

It feels discouraging but at the end of the day I don't think there's enough CONCENTRATED outrage anywhere to give them any signal, and I'm quite sure they disregard forum posts.

It still feels pretty odd though, if he's seeing BLU's limited aspect as a "Core" and "Fundamental" part of its nature. Given that honestly, it's more of an excuse at this stage, especially when people note how powerful BLU is compared to other classes (Balanced around level 70) performance at level 50. That being, not terribly far away in reality (Outside when you don't have all the relevant spells to do your DPS rotation in which case BLU is massively UP compared to other jobs)

Unless he's sticking to the fallacy that the Learning mechanic can only function in a Limited Job design space (Despite numerous ideas that would make this not be the case, at least noted on these English forums. Who knows if JP forums raised any ideas about the same) and due to that BLU inherently needs to be a Limited Job because without Learning it isn't BLU.

But, it has been noted (Including in JP forums) that nothing about BLU feels like it justifies being Limited. Nothing seems inherently massively OP in a way that can't be easily adjusted (Insta-kill spells, White Wind and low level 1000 Needles). The Learning mechanic doesn't seem like something that is notably prohibitive (Outside the intentional decision to put core DPS spells behind level 50 dungeons and EX Trials. Which is a bit of a back handed play, saying "Gotta Limit BLU because what if someone tries to do dungeons but they haven't learned all the spells people would want them to have" and then INTENTIONALLY designing it so that spells people would want them to have are not only incapable of being obtained solo by BLU, but also have horrendous RNG learn rates. You can't just state that a particular issue is causing a certain design and then make the design actually create that issue in the first place...)

I guess we'll see though... Come 5.x when the first round of updates comes for BLU and people get to see the direction Yoshida has planned and see if more directed outrage crops up.

[Mito123]

I feel like lately Yoshida and the devs is just clueless. It's like they purposely don't give a damn about blu at all. Not only that but also don't give a damn about our opinions. I already know by the time 5.x that's comes out Blu will be dead before then. Might be dead now considering I don't see any Blu out there unless it's people who haven't played it yet. Like I said before I wish this next healer will be limited so more people can rage and make Yoshida and devs understand the idea that limited jobs are idiocy

[redcurrant18]

I feel like lately Yoshida and the devs is just clueless. It's like they purposely don't give a damn about blu at all. Not only that but also don't give a damn about our opinions. I already know by the time 5.x that's comes out Blu will be dead before then. Might be dead now considering I don't see any Blu out there unless it's people who haven't played it yet. Like I said before I wish this next healer will be limited so more people can rage and make Yoshida and devs understand the idea that limited jobs are idiocy

If they make dancer limited I'm deleting my SE account and not coming back.

[Allistar]

He will never change bluemage his mind has already been made up this is what he wants and unfortunately people like me who actually enjoyed playing blue mage in previous final fantasy games especially in XI no longer have a desire to even play blue mage in FFXIV in its current state

[Mekami]

Bluemage in its current state is a time sink and nothing more. The main point of Blue mage, the Masked Carnivale, needs skills from ARR end game content to reliably do. Of said skills, The drop rate for skills from primals is so stupidly low, that if a party of 8 lvl 50s got together they'd be spending WEEKS on lvl 50 content that nobody enjoys doing just to get one stupid skill. As it is, people go into lvl 50 content with lvl 70s carrying them. Even then it takes hours to days to get any skill whatsoever from the primals.

And anyone who says, "It's supposed to be solo. You're supposed to solo content with it." I don't think anyone can solo Aurum Vale, which is required to get Glower for the Masked Carnivale. They either have to get a party of 4 lvl 50s or hope a lvl 70 comes by and helps them. And beyond that, the EX Primals are so not solo-able it's laughable to even think that. They also take a lot of time with full party of lvl 50s, about 10 minutes each time. The primals are so bad, that some of them require 2 lvl 70s to be able to carry some blue mages. If you need 100 runs to get a skill on avg, then that's a LOT of time sunk into one single skill that's only semi-usable. It's a grind, plain and simple. Nothing more or less.

So, while it IS fun to get skills from overworld mobs, it's not so fun from content that you have to cheat the system and use PF for. Or beg lvl 70s to come and basically do your job for you. This class is anything but "solo content".

[MrKimper]

If they make dancer limited I'm deleting my SE account and not coming back.

I don't think they'd make dancer limited, it's quite obvious they intend to use limited jobs for fan requested jobs they don't feel like putting the effort into integrating into the system. Honestly it's quite obvious which jobs they intend to make full jobs and which they'd just throw into the limited bin. I don't they'll limit a healer, most likely all limited jobs will be DPS with the abilities to "multi-role"

[Connor]

I always wonder how they’ll advertise Blue Mage in future.

“Here’s our resident limited job. Literally nobody asked for it to be a solo only husk of a job but here it is. We went out of our way to make sure nobody could use it as their main job. It can only be played in years old content, it cannot be used in a party under normal circumstances, it’s 20 levels below every other job, you have to spend a ton of time grinding for abilities you’ll never use outside of /gpose and masked carnival. Oh, and did we mention you need to gather a party to learn all of your abilities? It’s a solo only job but you’ll need to find a party to get your abilities from duty finder instances. You know, those things Blue Mage is locked out from unless in a premade”

[Mesarthim]

Bluemage in its current state is a time sink and nothing more.

I think that's putting it generously. It lasted 4 days for me.

Level 50.
All Achievements.
All Spells, including primal spells.

Now although it's only because I was lucky but I don't see how a 4 day timesink is supposed to keep me, or anyone else, playing for the long term. I completely ignore the weekly carnivale rewards because I don't need poetics or allied seals anymore. It was amusing for maybe a day or two.

If this is all a "limited job" is good for then any other limited job is going to be a mess. It's like "Hey fellow devs, what job should we throw under the bus next?" It is depressing he is doubling down on one of the worst things to have done in this game.

[Leidiriv]

Y'know, if they rework BLU, they could easily adapt something like FF11's skillchain system into BLU's main mechanic, with a fixed toolkit for group content. It'd add a nice nostalgia nod to the class and it fits the way Martyn talked about the whole "using monster magic in unique combinations to confound your foes" sort of deal.

[Zerogunsoul81]

If this is all a "limited job" is good for then any other limited job is going to be a mess. It's like "Hey fellow devs, what job should we throw under the bus next?" It is depressing he is doubling down on one of the worst things to have done in this game.

I mean. This is the same guy who said 2.0 War was strong, blamed us for nin being super broken when it came out, and said that ast was a good job you just had to get good with it. If we keep putting on pressure he'll have no other choice but too, A. Rework it into a real job and not a stupid time waster or, B. Drop it entirely. Knowing how lazy him and his team can be sometimes my guess would be B.