Rework Bluemage!

[Nezerius]

The couple of pages example was specifically to do with the updated TOS threads going on (that JP seem content with it), wasn't talking about the BLU threads. I was merely using it as an example that forums can not always be used as a general source of gauging opinion. And no in comparison to the English section, JP has no where near the number of threads unhappy with BLU. Granted there are probably more English speakers hence more activity on these sections, but languages generally don't stop a group from being vocal about something.

I'm more interested in seeing how things pan out with the job come the next expac. A lot of attention will be turned to new things, perhaps players won't care so much what improvements come to BLU or it might get something we never expected.

Keep in mind that the JP playerbase use the forums differently, in comparison to the English playerbase. While you will generally see a larger number of threads popping up on the English forums, the JP players are more likely to consolidate their feedback to much fewer threads (if not limiting it to just one thread).
They're also more inclined to use the Like button to indicate that they agree with someone's post, without having to post that fact in the thread. So a thread might have less pages than a similar one on the English forums, while having more players actually being part of the thread (through the amount of likes).

[ReiMakoto]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21


This thread exists already but I agree. More Support for fixing my baby is good.

[LordMetal7]

the worst thing about this class is primal skill farm with a chance of 0.01%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! meaning you learn a single spell in like 1,000 RUNS!

[Phoenicia]

I don't know why people think that by having BLU a full job means they can't have their mini-games of Carnivale. Can someone explain it?

BLU mage in EVERY iteration centered around learning spells. So people that are asking for BLU to be a full job still want that. If you don't want to do "same ol' same ol'" content on your BLU then don't. Just level it and do carnival.

If you want to level BRD only to perform, you shouldn't ask SE to prevent all the BRDs to stop raid content and have it downgraded to just a musician that looks pretty in Limsa. So why does BLU have to be limited to the mini-game you like?

End line is: Limited content is "limited" and I do not know what you'd want such a limit "imposed" on you. If you want a limitation you can always limit yourself to something without asking the devs to impose it on others.

[Blanchimont]

I don't know why people think that by having BLU a full job means they can't have their mini-games of Carnivale. Can someone explain it?

BLU mage in EVERY iteration centered around learning spells. So people that are asking for BLU to be a full job still want that. If you don't want to do "same ol' same ol'" content on your BLU then don't. Just level it and do carnival.

If you want to level BRD only to perform, you shouldn't ask SE to prevent all the BRDs to stop raid content and have it downgraded to just a musician that looks pretty in Limsa. So why does BLU have to be limited to the mini-game you like?

End line is: Limited content is "limited" and I do not know what you'd want such a limit "imposed" on you. If you want a limitation you can always limit yourself to something without asking the devs to impose it on others.

There's also no reason why you can't expand the Masked Carnival into a colosseum like feature for all of the other combat classes either.

[Kurando]

End line is: Limited content is "limited" and I do not know what you'd want such a limit "imposed" on you. If you want a limitation you can always limit yourself to something without asking the devs to impose it on others.

Something the producer mentioned in an article recently;

"The release of Blue Mage did not fall far from my expectations — the job was not meant to be subject to the standard rules of FF14 gameplay that players are used to, but rather it was meant to give players freedom in the way they approach the job. That is why it is a “limited job” only in the sense of content matching; there is no limit to the type of play style, and that was the initial concept behind it."

Source: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...hida-interview

[Cidel]

Something the producer mentioned in an article recently;

"The release of Blue Mage did not fall far from my expectations — the job was not meant to be subject to the standard rules of FF14 gameplay that players are used to, but rather it was meant to give players freedom in the way they approach the job. That is why it is a “limited job” only in the sense of content matching; there is no limit to the type of play style, and that was the initial concept behind it."

Source: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...hida-interview

*snort* "the job was not meant to be subject to the standard rules of FF14 gameplay that players are used to?" Yeah I'll say. Nothing like learning my best oGCD spells locked behind absurd RNG by standing around and watching several level 70s trivialize ARR EX primals over and over. And using just one spell to one-shot or two-shot inconsequential monsters and make every other damage spell up until then nearly pointless. And then proceed to watch tougher enemies in most battle content I'm allowed in resist the gimmicky, "overpowered" stuff anyway.

I don't even know where to start with it's "no limit to the type of play style;" I mean, I suppose I could play SMN and not use a single Aetherflow stack, or just spam Ruin 2, or just let the egi do most of the work in sic. I mean, the monster will die eventually, so the play style doesn't really matter.

[Kurando]

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It was also interesting that the producer stated "it did not fall far from my expectations", how would they describe "far" in this situation. Is it so little that BLU only needs regular adjustments (which is expected to happen anyway) or is it far enough that a potential rework needs to be considered so it is viable in the long term. Although as a whole some of it does seem to conflict with their "initial concept behind it" mentality, so I take that as changes are bound to happen but not to the extent players might be hoping you know.

[Phoenicia]

Something the producer mentioned in an article recently;

"The release of Blue Mage did not fall far from my expectations — the job was not meant to be subject to the standard rules of FF14 gameplay that players are used to, but rather it was meant to give players freedom in the way they approach the job. That is why it is a “limited job” only in the sense of content matching; there is no limit to the type of play style, and that was the initial concept behind it."

Source: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...hida-interview

First of all, I don't give a rat's tail about Yoshi's opinion on the matter. This is a forum where I can provide MY feedback. And MY feedback is what you quoted in your post which is as follows:

Imposed limitations are stupid. If you want to limit yourself to only <insert activity here> on a 1 job, go ahead and do JUST that, don't ask SE to cap that job to level and make it unable to access duties through normal means. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If you do not want to do dungeons, raids or other fun content you don't enjoy on a normally functional BLU that can STILL learn abilities from mobs and still have its own Carnivale mini-game, be my guest. But don't block ME from using the job in what "I" enjoy. That's pretty damn selfish of you.

You see? We are not asking for YOU to LOSE YOUR FUN. We are asking to STILL HAVE OUR FUN ALONG WITH YOU. We all can wear our nice blue dresses and t-shirts, and if you wanna stay home to play with your dolls or action figures while we hang out in the streets then it is 100% up to you. You can have your fun while we also have our fun. You don't lock the door and go "If I stay home you stay home!" That's childish.

How is it ANY different if PLD had its mini-game of Colosseum, yet it remained this fully functional tank in raids or dungeons? If you don't want to tank dungeons on your PLD, then don't. You can always stand half-naked in Limsa doing /boxstep or whatever other things people enjoy doing in there.

This is getting silly because it is starting to feel that SE isn't giving content to its actual players and would rather spend their VERY LIMITED RESOURCES, as they keep claiming (They're not even adding butt sliders ffs!) on content that few people would enjoy a few days then move on.

Second thing is, the SE dev team have a funny way of admitting where they go wrong. (They just don't do it).

When NIN first came out and it was ridiculously broken they came with the excuse where "PLAYERS" used rotations they didn't plan. I mean, do they even read the tooltips of the skills they place into the game? Every class has 1 possible rotation because of how the general game's rotation-formula works: apply DoTs, apply buffs, by the time you do damage combo DoT needs to be reapplied, and by the time you do buffs need to be reapplied.

Yoshi-P did not want to buff PLD in Heavensward even though it was apepoop bad. Claiming that DRK does the same DPS if it was given slashing (and it didin't) and WAR being the "DPS tank" at the cost of mitigation (but it mitigated more) and PLD is the "defensive tank" so its DPS should be low.... PLD was bad in HW because its mitigation AND DPS sucked. But nope, PLD defensive tank LOL.

This is also the same team that said WAR in 2.0 was "strong", just google 2.0 WAR and you'll understand what I mean. Nvm, I'll do it for you: Check this.

I can go on, but I'll stop here.

If you enjoy BLU, go play it. But stop fighting those that want it to be MORE FUN. Apparently you don't like fun.

[Kurando]

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I was just sharing the source to add it to the discussion because it was relevant to what you said, though not sure where the rest of the tone of your post is directed exactly, at me or SE, the wording seems very pointed. At the end of the day you can give a rats ass or don't (I don't know you, it's not my problem) SE are sticking to what they think is the right course so you could post feedback all day about it, but they have a clear idea of what they want.

If you enjoy BLU, go play it. But stop fighting those that want it to be MORE FUN. Apparently you don't like fun.

Also players have varied sources of fun and often to many different degrees to everyone else. What you might find fun may not be fun to another player, so it's kinda ironic for you to bring up something being selfish when you highlight that exact trait yourself.

Also here is another source article cementing their intentions for blu.
https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv...1832757804/amp