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    Quote Originally Posted by Unpronouncable View Post
    It tells us that sexual dimorphism among the Viera is ostensibly much lower than that of the other (playable) races, puberty doesn't come into it aside from making it easier to distinguish the genders by breast-growth for example. If it wasn't meant to be indicative of their appearance then why even bring it up in the first place? Short answer, because it is.
    Actually it does the opposite.. imo.

    It says at post-puberty sexual dimorphism IS a thing.

    Only when they're children do you look at their face and go "hmm not sure", although I doubt the lore writer meant it as "we can't tell, if we checked" just that physically until puberty they're more similar. Humans have this, to some extent as well. Men get MUCH bigger (usually), with all their muscle mass and stench coming along for the ride. Females growing other things and other changes. To us this isn't that big because we're used to it but just compared children to adults, we look massively different and it's all because of puberty.

    The lore admits puberty is a thing and admits it creates distinctive differences. I doubt they'd write that line if the males were basically bosom-less females.

    You write the line because there is a radical shift, like humans, except it's possible its even more radical because we're in a fantasy game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Actually it does the opposite.. imo.

    It says at post-puberty sexual dimorphism IS a thing.

    Only when they're children do you look at their face and go "hmm not sure", although I doubt the lore writer meant it as "we can't tell, if we checked" just that physically until puberty they're more similar. Humans have this, to some extent as well. Men get MUCH bigger (usually), with all their muscle mass and stench coming along for the ride. Females growing other things and other changes. To us this isn't that big because we're used to it but just compared children to adults, we look massively different and it's all because of puberty.

    The lore admits puberty is a thing and admits it creates distinctive differences. I doubt they'd write that line if the males were basically bosom-less females.

    You write the line because there is a radical shift, like humans, except it's possible its even more radical because we're in a fantasy game.
    So it was rather stated as a justification for having there only be one child-model for Viera as opposed to two (does this game even have non-Hyur child models?). I mean sure, though skipping a single child model would hardly make much of a difference imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unpronouncable View Post
    So it was rather stated as a justification for having there only be one child-model for Viera as opposed to two (does this game even have non-Hyur child models?). I mean sure, though I don't see how a single child model would make much of a difference.
    Elezen, miqo'te, and au ra children are all around in various areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unpronouncable View Post
    So it was rather stated as a justification for having there only be one child-model for Viera as opposed to two (does this game even have non-Hyur child models?). I mean sure, though I don't see how a single child model would make much of a difference.
    It could be yeah lol. Also I think it might be to better explain why the males are allowed in the village until puberty, at which point their change is enough that their society has been built around the idea of males leaving the city for good reason.

    Although I just want to make sure and be clear my IMO was a very strong imo. I disagree with you but I'm not saying you have to be 100% factually wrong, you could be very well right as well . We're having fun with opinions :3.

    I think its stated because the males will look quite different than the females, basing it off a more extreme human puberty.. But I could be wrong!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    As to the why, based on some speculation I've read, it probably has something more to do with the way certain parts of their anatomy manifest, which is consistent with how this functions in rabbits, but I don't wish to say much more about it here.
    Actually might make a fun topic on gender lol, if it can double back into male viera being unlocked or locked.

    If you know something special at least- I just looked it up and I guess male bunnies get hyper aggressive at puberty and females become very territorial. Although that doesn't sound like the most unique to rabbits change, but it would circle back into the lore and perhaps why males live basically alone past puberty (and why they treat intruders with extreme prejudice, and further why females are not interested in outsiders either). Also why the females stick to their forest, mostly.

    Males live with society just fine until they hit puberty in which point they're removed not out of hate but because their system works better that way, it's better the men are outside and about rather than at home with how they "are". Biology helping create/define the Viera life style, Viera didn't design this males out at the age of 13 system out of "wouldn't it be great if we kicked them out?" but because it just works better that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Also I think it might be to better explain why the males are allowed in the village until puberty, at which point their change is enough that their society has been built around the idea of males leaving the city for good reason.
    Or it could be that the males remain in the village up until their society notices they aren't growing any bigger as opposed to the females.
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