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  1. #1751
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    I believe Fran states you're being watched by them but you don't see them? Or was that FF12? I don't know, the fact of the matter is they don't attack if a Viera is with the party. The confrontation doesn't come from the lore, it comes from Yoshida specifically telling us that the blaze in the trailer is located in the sacred home of the Viera - he didn't need to share that information. Now it's certainly possible that something may happen where we may gain free passage, and a female Viera will escort us through the wood. And after that, we fully earn the blessing to wander freely without an escort. Of course, this is where the whole - well a confrontation seems likely, no? If they're being attacked then the Viera will respond in kind, their males first. The idea is that if a male Viera doesn't attack us, then we will come across one who is attacking the enemy.

    The other side of this; people think that we won't see a male at all. And that the attack on the wood may not stir the males into action - a retcon of their lore. Or, that the males would simply act unseen in a fight against a shared enemy. Or, that all of the males have simply vanished. Since if there were NPC males then there is likely to be playable males. Without playable males then it's likely there will be no male NPCs. Or there will be male NPCs, and the release of playable male Viera is simply a matter of time due to armour limitations etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Are you saying we are setting fire to their home? That we are helping them defend their home? Do you have absolutely no idea because no one does? Yeah, not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe just go back to posting pictures of hot bunny boys.
    And this is simply uncalled for. Obviously, we didn't set fire to their homes, the point they're making is that the males who are known to be trigger happy will be even more aggressive to outsiders during a time of war. Example; Aura's were attacked by Ishgardians because the Ishgardians thought they were draconic - this hate came from the war.

    Regarding the whole; they don't live in the village. Well, that hardly means anything. They don't live in groups, they don't interact with the community; but it doesn't mean they can't live close to the village and/or around it - they simply do not live in the hub. An add on would be Fran's words. 'They are watching us' meaning there's more than one in just that small area watching them.
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  2. #1752
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    Yes, I am speculating but unlike Shippuu I am not going around implying everybody else is delusional for advancing a theory different than mine. And if you want to talk about them purposefully avoiding mentioning the male Viera they have also purposely avoided mentioning the Hrothgar before, during and after the Fan Fest as well. So what does that say about them?

    And I think there is just a little bit of a difference between heading into some ruins escorted by Fran, who says the Viera are watching you and would have attacked if not for her, and setting up shop in a Viera village that just got blown to hell like the trailers imply we will be doing, wouldn't you agree?
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  3. #1753
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    We didn't see any other females either. Even then Matsuno's standin makes it sound like Rak'tika, which is supposed to be the home of the ShB Viera, is in the Skatay Range. It's so far away from Rabanastre that everything is still up in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    We didn't see any other females either. Even then Matsuno's standin makes it sound like Rak'tika, which is supposed to be the home of the ShB Viera, is in the Skatay Range. It's so far away from Rabanastre that everything is still up in the air.
    If I'm not mistaken, I believe Viera live in both in Rak'tika which is south of the Skatay Range and the Golmore jungle. I think the Veena and Rava live there accordingly.

    Edit: I've got it backwards, but here it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenno View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, I believe Viera live in both in Rak'tika which is south of the Skatay Range and the Golmore jungle. I think the Veena and Rava live there accordingly.
    The exact quote:
    Wandering Dramaturge: “Ah, yes. I have learned much of the leporine folk during my travels, so let us start off with the most basic of details─there exist two distinct clans, the light-skinned Veena Viera, and the darker-skinned Rava Viera. The word Viera itself means ‘people of the wood,’ and true to that name, both the Rava and the Veena make their homes exclusively in the Golmore Jungle, or the primeval forests which line the southwestern foothills of the Skatay Range, respectively.
    Despite this, the developers have repeatedly referred to Rak'tika as the home of the viera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
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    Lmao I made my edit right as you posted..awkward haha.
    But I just want to mention that I wasn't trying to disagree with you or anything, just point out that it'd make sense lorewise for Viera to also be around Orbonne. But yes, to your point we didn't see any Viera around there so it's not like it means much to not have seen male Viera in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
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    Despite this, the developers have repeatedly referred to Rak'tika as the home of the viera.
    hmm that is interesting that implies something has happened to the Viera villages of Golmore that may have forced them North this something happened between when the Dramataurge last got viera info and an unknown date. Means what the dramataurge says is not currently correct and things have changed within their society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    hmm that is interesting that implies something has happened to the Viera villages of Golmore that may have forced them North this something happened between when the Dramataurge last got viera info and an unknown date. Means what the dramataurge says is not currently correct and things have changed within their society
    Mhm, well he is talking past tense and how things are changing. Wars do end up causing an upheaval of society where communities must adapt to survive. Real life example; WW1/WW2 the men went to war so the women had to take up their jobs. If something bad was happening and it was bad, then survival is key. Protect the wood, protect your family. We already know that the Empire is trying to round them all up and march them into Rabanaster; one of the actors on the ship says so. If the Empire is to blame for this, then they are outnumbered. They will need aid. Perhaps something like a mirror of the Azim steppe will take place, where all of the Clans of Viera are reunited into one after their displacement from their original homeland.

    This of course is speculation; before someone chews on me xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    hmm that is interesting that implies something has happened to the Viera villages of Golmore that may have forced them North this something happened between when the Dramataurge last got viera info and an unknown date. Means what the dramataurge says is not currently correct and things have changed within their society
    But then the 24 man story has us agreeing to help push for a massive military campaign by the Grand Companies just to get free passage which seems odd if there are very few Viera there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    But then the 24 man story has us agreeing to help push for a massive military campaign by the Grand Companies just to get free passage which seems odd if there are very few Viera there.
    Thing is displacement doesn't mean a lot have died it's possible but not impossible either adaptation would be the key here how well have the Viera adapted to the new environment if well then they might be very few casualties if not yikes
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