Gender locked race?

[Melichoir]

Here's to hoping we get both races and genders then, cause I think that outcome would be the best possible one.

Also good point on teh wow thing. That is worth noting. It may be they stopped development on Male Viera to capitalize on that and make a male Hrothgar to soak up some of those sweet sweet WoW subs. Could be.

[Serenno]

It may be they stopped development on Male Viera to capitalize on that and make a male Hrothgar to soak up some of those sweet sweet WoW subs. Could be.

While I get that it's important for them to want to capitalize on all the new players coming from WoW, I think that that probably wouldn't sit well with many as they'd be sidelining their "OG" players/fanbase in order to do that. And it'd make it even worse to know that they sidelined male Viera of all things as it's something a good portion of the fanbase has been requesting for years.

[redcurrant18]

While I get that it's important for them to want to capitalize on all the new players coming from WoW, I think that that probably wouldn't sit well with many as they'd be sidelining their "OG" players/fanbase in order to do that. And it'd make it even worse to know that they sidelined male Viera of all things as it's something a good portion of the fanbase has been requesting for years.

...WoW races need to stay in WoW. Not interested and if that was their plan I'd be very vexed about it. I'm purposefully waiting to preoder Shadowbringers to see what ends up happening at the fanfest. I don't care if I miss the EXP boost earrings since the jobs I like playing are already at 70. Either give me male Viera, or I'll go spend my money on something else. From what I understand some WoW races are actually unlockable through quests, and if that's how we get male Viera then I might be ok with it depending on how time consuming that would be. God help them if they try gender locking classes next. I swear I'll delete my account if they make Dancer female only.

[Shougun]

...WoW races need to stay in WoW. Not interested and if that was their plan I'd be very vexed about it. I'm purposefully waiting to preoder Shadowbringers to see what ends up happening at the fanfest. I don't care if I miss the EXP boost earrings since the jobs I like playing are already at 70. Either give me male Viera, or I'll go spend my money on something else. From what I understand some WoW races are actually unlockable through quests, and if that's how we get male Viera then I might be ok with it depending on how time consuming that would be. God help them if they try gender locking classes next. I swear I'll delete my account if they make Dancer female only.

Lalafell males only- only they can draw the gil showers dancer demands! XD. More seriously though a gender locked job would be a hilarious and terrifying mistake, like "wot...? who's driving this ship? I thought we had a job system because we all loved playing all the jobs on one character..?".

What do you mean WoW races need to stick in WoW though? I mean I've been dying for a beast race for a long time, is that a WoW race? Or do you mean like.. Tauren/Orc? Because if any non-pretty/fabulous race is a WoW race then imma have to say FFXIV please add WoW races! But if you're saying Orc-sy and Tauren then yeah, they belong in WoW we don't need a Troll like they have. But players from WoW who liked those "other" visuals don't really have that in FFXIV unless Hrothgar is what we might think in a "Ronso" like race, in which case it's still more fabulous than WoW's but far more towards that "other" than say Viera, Roe (he gets really fabulous, trust me lol), and others.

Also about unlocking race, for the Allied Races as far as I understand it you can unlock them like you unlock the heroic jobs like Death Knight (Arthas) and Demon Hunter (Illidan). Alts are far more encouraged in WoW than in this game though, so that system works a bit better there. I don't think it could work here unless the quest also offered a Fantasia at the end... in which case I guess it could?

[redcurrant18]

What do you mean WoW races need to stick in WoW though? I mean I've been dying for a beast race for a long time, is that a WoW race? Or do you mean like.. Tauren/Orc? Because if any non-pretty/fabulous race is a WoW race then imma have to say FFXIV please add WoW races! But if you're saying Orc-sy and Tauren then yeah, they belong in WoW we don't need a Troll like they have. But players from WoW who liked those "other" visuals don't really have that in FFXIV unless Hrothgar is what we might think in a "Ronso" like race, in which case it's still more fabulous than WoW's but far more towards that "other" than say Viera, Roe (he gets really fabulous, trust me lol), and others.

Also about unlocking race, for the Allied Races as far as I understand it you can unlock them like you unlock the heroic jobs like Death Knight (Arthas) and Demon Hunter (Illidan). Alts are far more encouraged in WoW than in this game though, so that system works a bit better there. I don't think it could work here unless the quest also offered a Fantasia at the end... in which case I guess it could?

Yeah the really exaggerated races like Tauren and Trolls don't need to be in this game. They would stick out like a sore thumb in FFXIV, while the races we have now more or less fit together. I would prefer for FFXIV races to be more on the human side, which I think they can do for a Ronso-like race since they aren't that far away from what we already have except in the face and horn. FFXIV doesn't need to be a copy of WoW with really cartoonish races, and it doesn't need to take after FFXI with its gender locked races.

If male Viera were unlockable via a quest that gives fantasia at the end, I would be ok with that since it means I don't have to spend any extra money to change into one. But how would a quest like that work though? Would we have to fight bosses or grind reputation like for beast tribes?

[Shougun]

Yeah the really exaggerated races like Tauren and Trolls don't need to be in this game. They would stick out like a sore thumb in FFXIV, while the races we have now more or less fit together. I would prefer for FFXIV races to be more on the human side, which I think they can do for a Ronso-like race since they aren't that far away from what we already have except in the face and horn. FFXIV doesn't need to be a copy of WoW with really cartoonish races, and it doesn't need to take after FFXI with its gender locked races.

If male Viera were unlockable via a quest that gives fantasia at the end, I would be ok with that since it means I don't have to spend any extra money to change into one. But how would a quest like that work though? Would we have to fight bosses or grind reputation like for beast tribes?

Well I'd agree the art style of WoW at a minimum doesn't belong in FFXIV lol, I'm not sure the extent you mean on exaggeration as we may disagree there but to be honest we could totally agree on that too lol (since you said Ronso could fit, and I believe that as well). So I'm just going to say we might be using different words but have a similar agreement haha, at least for now .

For a male Viera unlock I'd say it would work such that male Viera are heavily damaged from the fire and the rest are off fighting the Garleans maybe. You reach a certain point in the MSQ where you help the male Viera return to the forest and at that point you get a free fantasia and can become a male Viera. Some dialog shifts from you saving the male viera to you saving your own kind, but everyone moves on none the wiser.

Although I'm not sure why they'd need to lock it behind a quest except maybe to encourage players to play the game? Or some elaborate excuse to make a fantasia free? lol. I can see it workings, I'm just not sure it needs to be that way except for some very particular "I want to tell the story this way" reasoning. Which I guess is fine, it's just different haha.

Also I came up with, imo, the:

Beast Race Test

Is what you're refrencing a beast like race or just human with some attachments, here we have the beast race test.

Assuming the person isn't into furry stuff lol, put the race into a subligar - guage the response. If you feel like a perv it must not be a beast race! lol Or in other words if they look at it like as if they were a person in their undies, not a beast race.

Ronso, Charr, Lupis, Tauren, etc, in a subligar gets no reaction from me, I don't feel like I'm looking at a naked dude - I'm looking at a ripped beast.

Au Ra, Roe, Miqote etc, etc, in a subligar.. I feel like a perv (extreme word choice maybe but you know what I mean, looking at a nearly naked person).

Some variations based on unique preferences, but I feel the vast majority could follow this test lol.

Or think of it this way, every photo of Khimari/Ronso is a bunch of people in their loin cloth/chest bindings, if your boss walked by it'd be a little weird maybe but no biggie. Now imagine your boss walking by with an image of Roe or Au Ra in the exact same sort of tribal subligar clothes lol. Or worse Viera in chest bindings and loin cloth lol. Think of Viera, it's just about as revealing as the Ronso clothes but it feels so different. There is a disconnect from beast race and "human w/ a few changes" that I believe can be described in this moment (for most people, I realize some people have exceptions XD). Therefore, imo, all FFXIV's current race choices fail the beast race test (including Roe and Au Ra). Meanwhile I'd pass Ronso, Charr, and Tauren instantly for both genders while Lupis would get a slow pass lol (the males imo instantly, but the females push it a little although in comparison to FFXIV's other races I'd still pass them).

[Lauront]

Yeah the really exaggerated races like Tauren and Trolls don't need to be in this game. They would stick out like a sore thumb in FFXIV, while the races we have now more or less fit together. I would prefer for FFXIV races to be more on the human side, which I think they can do for a Ronso-like race since they aren't that far away from what we already have except in the face and horn. FFXIV doesn't need to be a copy of WoW with really cartoonish races, and it doesn't need to take after FFXI with its gender locked races.

I agree with all this.

[linay]

From what I understand some WoW races are actually unlockable through quests, and if that's how we get male Viera then I might be ok with it depending on how time consuming that would be.

Please, no. I actually took a pause on playing WoW's current expansion because I was spending time playing their previous expansion unlocking allied races that required the content from that previous expansion.

That said, in FFXIV, the fact that you can use jump potion to skip main story quests as well as being able to use all jobs in one character with any race would make such a concept easier to do than in WoW. Still, I'd prefer not having to do that with race.

Also about unlocking race, for the Allied Races as far as I understand it you can unlock them like you unlock the heroic jobs like Death Knight (Arthas) and Demon Hunter (Illidan). Alts are far more encouraged in WoW than in this game though, so that system works a bit better there. I don't think it could work here unless the quest also offered a Fantasia at the end... in which case I guess it could?

It's not the same thing as the heroic classes. You actually have to play the game and do the specified content to unlock a particular allied race and not just boost your character to meet a level requirement.

[Reinha]

God help them if they try gender locking classes next. I swear I'll delete my account if they make Dancer female only.

Playing all jobs as one character is one of the main features which sets this game apart from its competitors, so gender or race locking jobs would be a colossal mistake. I don't think we need to worry about it happening.

Restricting game play based on the look of your character is not at all the same thing as restricting players from combining some cosmetic options. Muscle sliders have always been race locked and it doesn't mean we will get a muscle locked job some day, lol. They are just not related.

[Crushnight]

Some things came to mind,
Unlocking gender locked gear which is very minor took nearly 3 years due to uncomfortableness from the devs but held a decent sized thread for awhile
Blu being limited has a big thread and many smaller threads asking for changes (this is far more impactful as content than a race's gender)
Potential for gender locked races creates one of the biggest threads in 2 weeks (bigger than Blu) while we are a minority it is very telling how well this is going to be received at Tokyo fan fest should it happen

Playing all jobs as one character is one of the main features which sets this game apart from its competitors, so gender or race locking jobs would be a colossal mistake. I don't think we need to worry about it happening.

Restricting game play based on the look of your character is not at all the same thing as restricting players from combining some cosmetic options. Muscle sliders have always been race locked and it doesn't mean we will get a muscle locked job some day, lol. They are just not related.

Limited jobs weren't a thing until they announced it
Gender locked races aren't a thing till they announce it
Gender locked jobs are the next step up and won't be a thing till they announce it
We have to as players draw the line somewhere it should've been the limited job concept, definitely needs to be gender locked races, god help them if they do gender locked jobs and they would if they keep getting away with this stuff