Gender locked race?

[Melichoir]

I will support people to want male viera if that happens but lets say it was literally ronso . . I'd be so hyped XD. H Y P E ! Now with our given information they're probably not literally Ronso, but lion-like and "sort of Ronso like". Besides if the other race was locked (if it's a thing, seems likely but we don't have a 100%er) then I bet a female version of that would be pretty great to have.

I think it would be best if SE gets a negative reaction about no male viera, if that's a thing, and I assume they would get some amount, that they then should very quickly give a coy "Viera's story isn't over, please look forward to it ". And be sure to work male viera into 6.0.

I'm not saying people who want male viera would be like "YES, SE THATS IT!" lol, clearly releasing them at the same time is what someone who wanted male Viera wants, but I imagine you would take a huge momentum hit out of the hate train that might happen from no male viera.

Not saying there wont be male viera, just to be clear to anyone thinking I'm saying that - just suggesting SE has the ability (I think) to cause a significant cut out of any rage if they quickly played into the hate like "Ah ah ah.. We're not done~!" lol.

I think theyd still end up with damage control if the did this. Even if were talking Hrothgar = Ronso (and an important note here: Theyve already given us Viera as a name direct, why change Ronso to Hrothgar?), it still suffers many of the same issues. No information regarding them in game or otu of game, no build up, no hints beyond bugs, etc. But that isnt the case with viera and a plausible player expectation of their being male viera. Not saying there wont be hype for a Ronso race, but SE would still take a hit from doing that bait and switch, and shoving male viera (or female Ronso) off to a later date will be met with criticisms and disbelief. Theres a lot of momentum behind the male viera thing, so again, pulling a switch at the very last fan festival with nothing in game to even hint at another race, or out of game to do so, would hurt more than help. People would see it and ask "Cool, but where the hell did this come from? Did they even listen to what we wanted?" Even players who have less invested interest or are unaware of Viera lore will start asking "So wait, were gonna be gender locking 2 different races all of a sudden?" I dont see how that would be a wise move, or how much counter hype releasing Ronso would provide considering that while some people requested it, it wasnt anywhere near the numbers of Viera.

In the end, if theres gonna be no male Viera, at this point its better for SE to be upfront with it and not ambiguous. Itll damage the hype train, but not as badly if they build expectations up until Fanfest and then drop that news there. Now would be best too because theres a small lull in the hype, so if people become outraged, that outrage has better chances of being diffused a bit before Fanfest and allow for speculation of what will come in Male Viera's place. Thatll start off a new hype train for more momentum.

[Berethos]

It will get coverage that most likely wont be all that favorable for ShB.

That BDO and Tera commit a greater gaming sin and having classes gender-locked is barely a blip now on the gaming conversation radar, and was rarely more than a moderate complaint when the games were first debuting.

Internet outrage is notoriously short lived over most things...and ultimately, an aesthetic-lock on a character type is typically one of those things, especially when it doesn't impact gameplay.

Also, it's unlikely to change their current course. If we are getting both genders of Viera, we will find out soon, and if we aren't, then that is what will happen. We are approximately 4 and a half months out, if the male side of the race isn't in the works, it isn't coming, and the level of outrage the playerbase would have to collectively reach for that to change would be significantly higher than we are going to see.

[Melichoir]

That BDO and Tera commit a greater gaming sin and having classes gender-locked is barely a blip now on the gaming conversation radar, and was rarely more than a moderate complaint when the games were first debuting.

Internet outrage is notoriously short lived over most things...and ultimately, an aesthetic-lock on a character type is typically one of those things, especially when it doesn't impact gameplay.

Also, it's unlikely to change their current course. If we are getting both genders of Viera, we will find out soon, and if we aren't, then that is what will happen. We are approximately 4 and a half months out, if the male side of the race isn't in the works, it isn't coming, and the level of outrage the playerbase would have to collectively reach for that to change would be significantly higher than we are going to see.

There are exceptions to the Gender locking. In Tera, the female characters who were gender locked were also pretty much the 'magical forest girl' trope. They were small childlike and were pushing the innocent angle. In games like Vindictus, genders are locked cause youre playing a named Hero (Technically). Im not usre of BDOs case, but Gender Locking does happen. However it is not a popular concept in games and is seen typically as a negative on the game rather than a positive, even with lore.

Furthermore, I think youre underestimating player base feelings. We've had the last 4 months be nothing but a slew of player backlash against large companies over many of their design decisions. While Im not saying its gonna be "Diablo Immortal" all over again, I think we can see a trend where players are starting to say "Fine, if yorue not doing what I want, then Ill stop playing your game." where it used to be more along the lines of "Fine, whatever. Stupid devs."

You are right. If they havent made em, by now and dont reveal at FF, thats that. They wont be in game. At that point itll be up to players to decide what to do. And I do beleive some players will unsub, while some players will remain bitter over this and cause some commotion. And 8 months down the road, itll likely be something thatll be brought up when takling about something terrible the base disagrees with. Meaning, it wont be something thats forgotten easily. Which is why I suggest that if they do not have plans for male Viera, that the devs should just pull the band aid off now and not try to do it at the last Fan Fest. Because that bitterness will only be exemplified if they feel like they got cheated by ambiguous details and interpretations where the devs couldve clearly stepped in and said what was happening.

Just consider how much talk this thread is generating over male Viera, and how much that talk hypes up speculation for the final fanfest. Now imagine that those glitches referring to Hrothgar never happened. That they remain unnamed. FF roles around and they say "No male Viera but heres a Hrothgar!" I dont think its hard to imagine therell be a lot of mixed feelings over that.

[Shougun]

I think theyd still end up with damage control if the did this.

Oh I wasn't saying genderlocking is the slam dunk route lol (both genders would be), I was just saying that I think even now they could cut a lot of the damage off. Even if they announced it at fanfest, I think they could half or more the outrage with select wordings.

It'll depend on if they go "don't you guys have cell phones?" or not haha. If they're prepared, and prepared to remedy the issue later, I think an effective salve to stave off real damage is available (not impervious but "should do okay" lol).

Since people were talking about the outrage I was just pondering methods they might quell it into a neat little ball in the corner (by saying hinting at what they want will come). In fact I would believe they've a plan on unlocking the races already IF they were to start out locked, or have at least heavily considered it and are weighing fan response.

Also, it's unlikely to change their current course. If we are getting both genders of Viera, we will find out soon, and if we aren't, then that is what will happen. We are approximately 4 and a half months out, if the male side of the race isn't in the works, it isn't coming, and the level of outrage the playerbase would have to collectively reach for that to change would be significantly higher than we are going to see.

Yeah whatever happens will happen, we're on a ship without the rudder at this point lol.

I imagine if they did genderlock them they already have plans to unlock them later, reason being why two races come gender locked is as we all surmised limited resources (expensive to make basically 4 beautiful skeletons). Why two races now rather than one complete single race?

If I had to guess, FFXIV has a lot of variations of pretty yet if we got a fairly beastly race (even if it was just a Lupis/Pantera BLESS like lion/wolf) it would be one of the most oddball of the races. Why would you want something out there specifically like that? Well because we already have all the race equivalents to WoW that are pretty and popular, especially with Viera coming, so to steal the Undead, Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and other "weird/ugly/different" races we would finally have a FFXIV equivalent to them. So maybe SE is trying to take advantage of the leaking ship while it's hot (WoW). And split because Viera female is a huge draw, even if people are upset about male viera there will be /loads/ excited still for female viera (or begrudgingly going female viera lol).

That's not to say there wont be an outcry, this thread is obviously a sign of that, but that's why I suggested they might have played this game of WoW race siphon, huge player desire creation, and a long term plan to add the missing genders in when resources allow.

Alternatively SE drops both genders of both races and we all cry and whisper Yoshida's name at night with little shrines to his image. Yoshi-P, Yoshi-P, Yoshi-P. lol

Anyway, what we really can do well right now is FULL SPEED AHEAD.

[Melichoir]

Here's to hoping we get both races and genders then, cause I think that outcome would be the best possible one.

Also good point on teh wow thing. That is worth noting. It may be they stopped development on Male Viera to capitalize on that and make a male Hrothgar to soak up some of those sweet sweet WoW subs. Could be.

[BiddyBatnana]

Because that grammatical rule only applies when the following word starts with a vowel sound (l'argent, l'eau, l'orange, l'huile). Hyur uses a hard "H" sound instead of a silent h.

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[Serenno]

It may be they stopped development on Male Viera to capitalize on that and make a male Hrothgar to soak up some of those sweet sweet WoW subs. Could be.

While I get that it's important for them to want to capitalize on all the new players coming from WoW, I think that that probably wouldn't sit well with many as they'd be sidelining their "OG" players/fanbase in order to do that. And it'd make it even worse to know that they sidelined male Viera of all things as it's something a good portion of the fanbase has been requesting for years.

[redcurrant18]

While I get that it's important for them to want to capitalize on all the new players coming from WoW, I think that that probably wouldn't sit well with many as they'd be sidelining their "OG" players/fanbase in order to do that. And it'd make it even worse to know that they sidelined male Viera of all things as it's something a good portion of the fanbase has been requesting for years.

...WoW races need to stay in WoW. Not interested and if that was their plan I'd be very vexed about it. I'm purposefully waiting to preoder Shadowbringers to see what ends up happening at the fanfest. I don't care if I miss the EXP boost earrings since the jobs I like playing are already at 70. Either give me male Viera, or I'll go spend my money on something else. From what I understand some WoW races are actually unlockable through quests, and if that's how we get male Viera then I might be ok with it depending on how time consuming that would be. God help them if they try gender locking classes next. I swear I'll delete my account if they make Dancer female only.

[Rokke]

That BDO and Tera commit a greater gaming sin and having classes gender-locked is barely a blip now on the gaming conversation radar, and was rarely more than a moderate complaint when the games were first debuting.

Once upon a time, when TERA was still fresh in the west the player characters were almost even as far as gender pick went. It began to tilt when it became more commonly known how much of an advantage it was to play an Elin (on PVP servers) and costumes/emotes released were increasingly female only. I quit around the time Brawler was released. And there were complaints, both from the west and the east that Brawler, designed & originally teased with a male human NPC, was released female only. That aside though, these days Tera and BDO are both dead games. Why use them to defend this lol

[Shougun]

...WoW races need to stay in WoW. Not interested and if that was their plan I'd be very vexed about it. I'm purposefully waiting to preoder Shadowbringers to see what ends up happening at the fanfest. I don't care if I miss the EXP boost earrings since the jobs I like playing are already at 70. Either give me male Viera, or I'll go spend my money on something else. From what I understand some WoW races are actually unlockable through quests, and if that's how we get male Viera then I might be ok with it depending on how time consuming that would be. God help them if they try gender locking classes next. I swear I'll delete my account if they make Dancer female only.

Lalafell males only- only they can draw the gil showers dancer demands! XD. More seriously though a gender locked job would be a hilarious and terrifying mistake, like "wot...? who's driving this ship? I thought we had a job system because we all loved playing all the jobs on one character..?".

What do you mean WoW races need to stick in WoW though? I mean I've been dying for a beast race for a long time, is that a WoW race? Or do you mean like.. Tauren/Orc? Because if any non-pretty/fabulous race is a WoW race then imma have to say FFXIV please add WoW races! But if you're saying Orc-sy and Tauren then yeah, they belong in WoW we don't need a Troll like they have. But players from WoW who liked those "other" visuals don't really have that in FFXIV unless Hrothgar is what we might think in a "Ronso" like race, in which case it's still more fabulous than WoW's but far more towards that "other" than say Viera, Roe (he gets really fabulous, trust me lol), and others.

Also about unlocking race, for the Allied Races as far as I understand it you can unlock them like you unlock the heroic jobs like Death Knight (Arthas) and Demon Hunter (Illidan). Alts are far more encouraged in WoW than in this game though, so that system works a bit better there. I don't think it could work here unless the quest also offered a Fantasia at the end... in which case I guess it could?