Gender locked race?

[Shippuu]

As I specifically said 'The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.'

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

[redcurrant18]

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

The other games didn't have both male and female Viera living in the same forest. That's what makes this one unique in that there is probably a central village with females and children, and males roaming around in the far corners of what I'm guessing will be a massive zone. Somewhere in this forest there's also space for the Nu Mou, with a camp for the untempered and the tempered by whatever their primal is. It would have made sense for Titania to be able to transform people into different creatures, but I have no idea what the Nu Mou's primal could possibly be. Morpher Nu Mous exist in tactics, but they only have the power to shapeshift themselves. Seeing as how Viera are obviously based on rabbits though, wouldn't it make sense for a primal with this power to turn them into helpless bunnies instead of cat warriors?

[Shippuu]

The other games didn't have both male and female Viera living in the same forest. That's what makes this one unique in that there is probably a central village with females and children, and males roaming around in the far corners of what I'm guessing will be a massive zone.

Citation needed. Nothing I'm aware of from past Ivalice games points to them living in a different forest. In 12 there was no implication they lived outside of the Golmore Jungle.

[Gwenorai]

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

In FF12, the male didn't need to be seen. The wood wasn't in danger nor was the clan. Any danger that did exist was dealt with by Vaan and co.
FF Tactics; The Viera don't care about the war of the lions; they ignore all Ivalice Government and their efforts to try and get the Viera to be part of their politics is ignored.

It's been a long time since I played tactics, does anyone recall a reason why a male wood warder would show up? Or if a female wood warder stepped in?
Anyway, everything was handled by the Matriarch's who are in direct contact with the wood, which is also in direct contact with every Viera who isn't an outsider to the wood. In the end, they made it easier for the player - there was no need for a confrontation by a male Viera in every instance.

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All Viera that took part in regards to the party were those who were banished from the wood or we're allowed to help due to the Green Word.
Honestly, the GB Advance Lore is all kinds of screwy. Those games, even falsely call them 'female only' only in FF12 and Revenants did they expand on the Viera and give them more lore.

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'There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home' - Oh, you mean like good storytelling like I keep saying? I have said multiple times that if the reason and story are good I would applaud. If you can't be bothered to read what I say and just put your own spin on things then I can't do much for you.

Am I invested in Male Viera, yep. Am I more invested in enjoying Shadow Bringers? Yes. What would disappoint me more, a lame story or no male Viera? Lame story. I preordered shadowbringers without confirmation of Male Viera, lol. I think I know where my investment is.

[WhiteArchmage]

It's been a long time since I played tactics, does anyone recall a reason why a male wood warder would show up? Or if a female wood warder stepped in?

Viera do not exist in Tactics, they, as every other non-hume race, are extinct by the time of the War of the Lions (in fact, they've been extinct for so long that moogles are only legends). Viera debuted in Tactics Advance where, even if they were female only, the bulk of TA explicitly takes place in a Dream Ivalice only vaguely connected to the main series (St. Ivalice, where the protagonists come from, is a Town, rather than an Area/Kingdom). TA2 may have a bigger leg to stand on as far as "female-only" race since it DOES take place in the real Ivalice (Jylland, technically, but that could just mean that male viera haven't GONE to Jylland).

As an aside, Feol Viera were never in any Tactics title, either, they're exclusive to Revenant Wings.

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Exactly! These are not Ivalice Alliance's Viera randomly sucked in through an interdimensional portal. Yoshi-P and the dev team can place male Viera if they want, they are literally writing the lore. Keepers of the Moon are even rarer than Viera, and you can count Male Keepeers on one hand and have fingers left over IN THE LORE, the race's popularity with the playerbase is another thing entirely (BOTH my manqo'tes are Keepers!)

[redcurrant18]

Viera do not exist in Tactics, they, as every other non-hume race, are extinct by the time of the War of the Lions (in fact, they've been extinct for so long that moogles are only legends). Viera debuted in Tactics Advance where, even if they were female only, the bulk of TA explicitly takes place in a Dream Ivalice only vaguely connected to the main series (St. Ivalice, where the protagonists come from, is a Town, rather than an Area/Kingdom). TA2 may have a bigger leg to stand on as far as "female-only" race since it DOES take place in the real Ivalice (Jylland, technically, but that could just mean that male viera haven't GONE to Jylland).

As an aside, Feol Viera were never in any Tactics title, either, they're exclusive to Revenant Wings.

I only vaguely remember Tactics A2, but if it is as you say, then it is possible that all the males are in a completely different part of Ivalice closer to Rabanastre and Golmore Jungle than to wherever Luso's party was adventuring. In Tactics Advance, Viera live in another female village called Muscadet. Another thing to note is that in FFXIV, the Ivalice timeline is reversed and the story of Tactics actually precedes that of FF12.

[Gwenorai]

Viera do not exist in Tactics, they, as every other non-hume race, are extinct by the time of the War of the Lions (in fact, they've been extinct for so long that moogles are only legends). Viera debuted in Tactics Advance where, even if they were female only, the bulk of TA explicitly takes place in a Dream Ivalice only vaguely connected to the main series (St. Ivalice, where the protagonists come from, is a Town, rather than an Area/Kingdom). TA2 may have a bigger leg to stand on as far as "female-only" race since it DOES take place in the real Ivalice (Jylland, technically, but that could just mean that male viera haven't GONE to Jylland).

As an aside, Feol Viera were never in any Tactics title, either, they're exclusive to Revenant Wings.



Exactly! These are not Ivalice Alliance's Viera randomly sucked in through an interdimensional portal. Yoshi-P and the dev team can place male Viera if they want, they are literally writing the lore. Keepers of the Moon are even rarer than Viera, and you can count Male Keepeers on one hand and have fingers left over IN THE LORE, the race's popularity with the playerbase is another thing entirely (BOTH my manqo'tes are Keepers!)

Thank you for this! Explains a lot, and just another reason on just why the dudes didn't exist. Now I have an urge to play tactics, bah. But yes, they're certainly expanding on Viera lore as more games come out. FF12 gave a big chunk of it, and of course, Revenant Wings added a lot more. While I wouldn't say they were 'skeleton races' - well, yeah. FF12 had a lot of lore and a lot of races. And of course, Viera wasn't the only race that showed one specific gender in game. We saw the Garif and we know they have females from flavour text. Why didn't we see the females? Shrug, we didn't need to. Seeing them wouldn't have added anything to the story,