Gender locked race?

[Novak_04]

May be 50 - 60 % but no where close to 90.
Not all like to play the same thing. Look at Tera and how well gender locks worked there.

Look at 1.0 and how well gender-locks worked there. They didn't. At all.

[SamsaraLotusx]

My point 100%

[reivaxe]

May be 50 - 60 % but no where close to 90.
Not all like to play the same thing. Look at Tera and how well gender locks worked there.

Look at 1.0 and how well gender-locks worked there. They didn't. At all.

I don't get either of your points.
Gender Lock isn't why 1.0 turned out the way it did.

And Tera devs actually credit the Elin for being what saved the game. They have a culture in that game that loves them some Elin toons. It's why they get the most classes ... so they're pretty much riding the back of a gender locked race for profits.

[Gwenorai]

I don't get either of your points.
Gender Lock isn't why 1.0 turned out the way it did.

And Tera devs actually credit the Elin for being what saved the game. They have a culture in that game that loves them some Elin toons. It's why they get the most classes ... so they're pretty much riding the back of a gender locked race for profits.

I think the reason behind this is that if they gender locked races in the past and then removed those gender locks because people hated it. Why go backand slap a gender lock on a race - especially one that hasn't had a reveal of the male version? There's big money in that. The first time we would see the male ever in game. To me that outweighs the whole; 'pander to the wifu', no 'pander to everyone who likes the Viera race and lore' is more like it; that's where the money is.

Think of the fantasia money!

[Novak_04]

I don't get either of your points.
Gender Lock isn't why 1.0 turned out the way it did.

And Tera devs actually credit the Elin for being what saved the game. They have a culture in that game that loves them some Elin toons. It's why they get the most classes ... so they're pretty much riding the back of a gender locked race for profits.

You must be the kind of person that reads a statement then replies without actually thinking about what you just read. "Look at 1.0 and how well gender-locking worked there." This had nothing to do with the reason 1.0 wasn't successful. It was regarding the gender-locking OF 1.0. People were not happy about it at all. They complained often about not being able to make a male Miqo'te or a Female Roe. Nowhere in my statement did I say -- or even imply -- that 1.0 failed because of it, and if that's what you took away from it, then I believe that tells us everything we need to know about your argument.

[Gwenorai]

I mean, not all of us want to play as females. I hate playing as a female toon in all RPGs, I hate hip swing, I hate female animation run and I'm certainly not a fan of the chest physics. So yeah. I prefer to play as a male toon.

As a wise person once said, if I'm going to be staring at someone's behind for hours at a time - then it's going to be of something I like. If dudes can do it, why can't girls? And of course, the dudes who like themselves a good looking chap to stare at. Gotta share the love.

Point being I shouldn't have to be swept under the rug in regards to my favourite race because I don't want to be the female and would prefer to be the male. Gatekeeping sucks.

@Ariane; thank you for the info!

[Iscah]

This is the best I've seen: http://mirkemenagerie.tumblr.com/pos...7699/the-viera

Reading over that lore again, the quote that seems to be used to support the "male Viera are never seen outside the forest" is this from the Wandering Dramaturge:

I spent many a moon in the Desert Sapphire, and while I saw all manner of wondrous creatures, not once did I lay mine eyes upon a male Viera, nor did I hear of one living in the city. They simply do not exist to us.

The "Desert Sapphire" is Rabanastre, I assume? In any case, the core of the statement is that in the past he has not seen a male Viera in the city, but that doesn't mean it can't change.

And there's also this quote from Jenomis:

That said, with every generation there are those Viera who long for a life beyond the verdant sea of trees and abandon their tribes to start a new life in the kingdom’s cities.

That said, some people were saying earlier that it doesn't matter what the normal lore is for male Viera, because the WoL is special and might choose to leave regardless? I think the other side of that concern is that, even though in a single-player game you can make the argument that your special character is an exception, in this multiplayer game the world is populated by other player-characters (who are not the Warrior of Light in your version of the story), and suddenly that population includes a noticable number of male Viera. Even if they're rare characters in the long run, it's still "above zero" and that's not what fits in with the lore they've written for the Viera.

Of course they could have written different lore, but they have their own reasons for doing this - whatever they are.

As a wise person once said, if I'm going to be staring at someone's behind for hours at a time - then it's going to be of something I like. If dudes can do it, why can't girls? And of course, the dudes who like themselves a good looking chap to stare at. Gotta share the love.

I don't really get that logic - I don't think I look at my character much at all during gameplay. You're looking past them into the distance at where you're going, or looking around you in battle. It would be like the equivalent of staring at your feet the whole time you're walking, instead of looking at where you're going.

You see them more in cutscenes, of course.

[Gwenorai]

Hm, after looking at this info from the wandering Dramaturge; 'Until recently─perhaps the past several generations─a Viera living outside her homeland was unheard of, and those who abandoned their tribes were branded outcasts. You see, the Viera follow a strict code called the ‘Green Word’ that binds them to their land and prohibits all contact with the outside world unless absolutely necessary.”

It's in the past tense? 'was' unheard of, instead of 'are unheard of' and 'we're branded outcasts' instead of 'are branded outcasts' - so; this could hint that they're more accepting of those leaving the forests. This is good as it sets it up that those playing Viera aren't going to end up shunned. This line here, however; 'You see, the Viera follow a strict code called the ‘Green Word’ 'that binds them to their land and prohibits all contact with the outside world unless absolutely necessary'. This gives some wiggle room that those who to stay true to the 'Green Word' can actually leave and seek help if necessary - I imagine this would include the forest telling them to leave to do WoL things and 'adventure'.

Yet again when speaking about the males in regards to why they're not around, it's also past tense. 'I spent many a moon in the Desert Sapphire, and while I saw all manner of wondrous creatures, not once did I lay mine eyes upon a male Viera, nor did I hear of one living in the city. They simply do not exist to us.”' Since this was obviously before the war and of course the recent changes it would make sense why he'd still think this. And even then, if the Viera males are like the females in build and have some feminity - it's not outlandish to think that the males WERE there - but not wanting to be seen.

What gets me the most, however, is rather what is not said. If more females leave the wood; then what is to stop a pregnant Viera leaving the wood? Or one refusing to give up her male kits and thus leaves with them before an older male can take them? Shrug

More so, if you have only a small amount of males; the first line of defence. If the Empire was going to attack the jungle with large numbers... well, if all the males are killed - then there goes the Viera race as soon as the females start succumbing to old age. Doesn't seem all that likely that we're going to see bunny genocide.

All in all, we don't know, because this guy has been out of the loop. By the way, he speaks he has been for a while. The hint is that he mentions change, its subtle - but the fact its there speaks volumes.


@Iscah;
My camera is positioned in such a way that I can see all of my characters back. I don't like zooming in intimately. Cutscenes you do indeed so much more. And that's the fun part. The logic comes from other games where the camera is smack bang on the toons booty and if you're not into what you're seeing it's a bit of a downer. A nice example of this is NIER; Automata.

[Iscah]

@Iscah;
My camera is positioned in such a way that I can see all of my characters back. I don't like zooming in intimately. Cutscenes you do indeed so much more. And that's the fun part. The logic comes from other games where the camera is smack bang on the toons booty and if you're not into what you're seeing it's a bit of a downer. A nice example of this is NIER; Automata.

I have my camera pulled back as far as it goes. Being close in to the character feels uncomfortable, and harder to see what's around me.

Funny thing with first-person vs third-person games - third-person actually gives you a closer equivalent to the field of vision you have in reality, in terms of being able to see something off to the side of where you're standing. First-person games are like tunnel-vision, and you can only see the view that's framed by the screen. The few times I've played first-person games, I find it quite disconcerting.

I'm more interested in my character's face looking nice than their body. (Well, face and costume. But not of the revealing variety.)

[CoffeeBuns]

While I am happy to be a female Viera since I am a girl, I would be utterly pissed off if my Boyfriend couldn't be a Male Viera with me as we always liked matching our race and even gear when possible. I keep a glimpse of hope that they will be reveal at Japan Fanfest and we will both play the game even if it's not available but I really do hope they will be available because I won't be Viera if he can't be one as well.