Results 1 to 10 of 4255

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    GenericMagus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    338
    Character
    Generika Nameius
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Corue View Post
    No, this is XIV Viera from XIV Ivalice. Adding male Viera here wouldn't retroactively break the canon of the actual Ivalice games.

    Reversed timeline? Sure.
    Events playing out differently? Fine by me.
    Geological changes and mixed up locations? No problem.
    Characters assuming different roles and personalities? That's reasonable.
    Male bunnies? Too far.
    Yes this is FFXIV Ivalice and FFXIV Viera, however they're both based off of FFXII and FFT incarnations. This means they still have to deal with the original right owners, but they also need to have permission in the first place to do so.

    If it was its own unique race there wouldn't be a problem. But this is dealing with Viera wholesale, not a FFXIV version, Viera as a whole. First originating in Tactics Advance (which is a far different Ivalice than of XIV and XII) had them as gender locked then, and when XII was made they kept the gender lock.

    There seems to be a heavy theme in how the creator originally envisioned the race, not even taking into account if there would be an MMORPG featuring them (who could back in the early 2000s?)

    This is why it's an adaptation and SE wants to remain faithful to the source material. If an adaptation isn't faithful people would deride the end product as it's "not representing what they wanted."

    It's not about keeping XII lore (anyone who say Viera originated in XII are mis-informed) but from Tactics Advance, it's keeping Viera Lore as a whole intact. It's like saying Crystal Tower isn't a faithful adaptation/recreation of the final dungeon from FF3 because "they added in characters who weren't relevant to the source game".
    (0)

  2. #2
    Player
    Mansion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2018
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    2,018
    Character
    Mansion Viscera
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GenericMagus View Post
    Yes this is FFXIV Ivalice and FFXIV Viera, however they're both based off of FFXII and FFT incarnations. This means they still have to deal with the original right owners, but they also need to have permission in the first place to do so.
    It's Square Enix anyway; Square at that time for FFT, but still SE. They own the rights on the whole Final Fantasy licence. They can throw Kefka in a raid, Krile as an NPC.
    Just like Bloodborne has Moonlight Greatsword, originating from other From Software games. They can do what they want with their original creations.
    (2)

  3. #3
    Player
    Shippuu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    628
    Character
    Shippuu Nammuu
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    Yes, it does, for that community or....
    http://prntscr.com/mhy6f5
    Yeah... that's just me using those specific words gender lock etc; I'm sure there are more threads on their forum of people screaming about the gender class lock. Bound to be more on other media websites.
    http://prntscr.com/mhyb27
    The same with Tera. Just search results from using those specific words in their forum, bound to be a lot more.
    I never said people wouldn't complain about it, but even your evidence shows that it's perhaps not a huge issue. For example none of the Black Desert threads are even from 2018-2019, and they're on average around 25 posts long.

    And a lot of the Tera complaints are because the new classes are gender locked, not that there's genderlocked races. There is a big difference between a new race that can be every job but can only be one gender, and releasing a brand new job that only some races/genders can use.

    New races are little more than cosmetic choices, whereas new classes are playable new content.




    And if males died while summoning a primal. Well, Viera got a bigger problem on their hands. Like going extinct.
    It's less them dying while summoning and more them becoming tempered, essentially slaves of which the game has established there's not really any way to free someone from that.

    Even then, a bigger problem such as extinction because their males got wiped out sure would be a unique flavor to the viera lore and setting that would certainly provide an interesting hook while also giving further reasoning for male viera to not be playable. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility.
    *
    (3)

  4. #4
    Player
    Shippuu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    628
    Character
    Shippuu Nammuu
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    A few news articles ranging across the years and its very common to see the negative stigma that gender locking brings.
    Most of these articles are just opinion pieces though, and what few comments the articles have on them are mixed bags between people who don't like genderlocks and people who aren't bothered by them. Showing again it's not particularly something that bothers a lot of players.



    Black desert online and Tera could've both been more successful had they not added gender lock on their classes forcing people to play their way rather than the player's way will create attrition.
    Tera released with little gender locking (just the male only Baraka race, and arguably the elin/popori.) And it was player data and marketing information (as well as development cost/budget) that pushed them to go forward and introduce gender locked classes available to the most popularly played race/genders, and for the most part it worked for them.

    Now all of that is my side so if you can find news articles in favour of gender locking races/jobs i'll be very interested in reading them as be good to get that perspective.
    I mean in this day and age with everyone capable of being an Internet journalist/blogger there's not much merit in pulling up one off opinion pieces because people have all kinds of opinions on everything. Games journalist websites are not authorities when it comes to virtually anything.

    But you can see in this very thread plenty of people that have no problem with gender locked races.
    *
    (3)