Gender locked race?

[stormygabe]

I already talked about this will repost;

You know... With the number of times that point has been rebuffed, it's amazing how people keep bringing it up. Another good rebuttal I've seen is with white mages. Doesn't it also "completely destroy" there lore for thousands of them to be running around? Black mages too.

[Anira-chu]

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

I don't know, having Yo-Kai watch Minions, getting a flying car, hunting Rathalos, soon able to queue for a Nier raid, having Garo glamour, the Moonkeepers and Duskwings and whatnot isn't already destroying the lore?
I think some male bunnies will not change much in the end.

[GenericMagus]

I don't know, having Yo-Kai watch Minions, getting a flying car, hunting Rathalos, soon able to queue for a Nier raid, having Garo glamour, all the catbois and whatnot isn't already destroying the lore?
I think some male bunnies will not change much in the end.

You have to keep in mind, this is FFXII Viera, not FFXIV unique race. If you asked for a race like Viera and we got an entirely new one that's based of Viera that wouldn't be a problem.

Matsuno can reject any notion of having Male viera at all, on the basis that it goes against his Lore, not FFXIV. Consiering how they have already taken liberties with the Ivalice raids and tried to stay true to them as much as possible, it's still a FFXIV adaptation of previous installments elements, which obviously had to be run through beforehand (seriously, interhouse copyright is still a thing after all).

[Crushnight]

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

hi xeala who rarely leave the steppe nice to meet you i am a hyur who are plentiful everywhere
all joking aside using lore as a reason is not good justification this lore was written way more recently yugiri was always going to be a new race back in 2.2 so we can assume a new race was decided to be added in 4.2 what they both were were just in a conceptional stage now fast forward a patch and the base race idea should be on the table ready to be worked on as we know patches are worked on long in advance between 2 to 3 patches sometimes more so the lore for viera is within that time frame so from 4.3 (latest) to 4.5 release they easily could've excluded males from any mention they did not in fact they emphasize male viera roles and viera society in general. If you wanted to exclude a gender this would've been the easiest place to nip it in the bud they choose not to.
Player characters outside of yourself do not exist they have 0 bearing on any story within ffxiv so it would not be impossible for a single male viera to leave the wood or a pregnant female viera who will have a boy grow up outside the wood and become the WoL. Rarity means nothing impossibility does and they have males as a possible gender for newborn viera thus it is not impossible for males to be the WoL

[Kaedan]

Where are you getting the % of population of Viera? FF12?

While Dalmasca and Ivalice are making an appearance in FF14, it is not the full world of Ivalice that FF12 and Tactics inhabit.

No offense, but made up numbers are made up numbers. I go with what was stated in the Lore of FF14, which is that the population of male Viera is SO LOW (and the birth rate abysmal), that they will force the males to stay in the woods. Also, your example doesn't take into account the fact that the % of males that leave would be very small. So lets assume there are 30,000 males (non-culled number). Since the culture is such that it's highly taboo to leave, it's not unreasonable to say that only 1% leave. Which would be 3,000 total present in all of the rest of the world. But again, it's moot since made up numbers are made up and lore is lore.

It's already bad enough that the females are going to be a playable race. That also completely breaks with the lore (even the females are supposed to be reclusive).

If SE really wants to give players male Viera, then do so, that's great. But they'd have to CHANGE the lore, otherwise there's no point to the lore at all.

[Gwenorai]

Where are you getting the % of population of Viera? FF12?

While Dalmasca and Ivalice are making an appearance in FF14, it is not the full world of Ivalice that FF12 and Tactics inhabit.

No offense, but made up numbers are made up numbers. I go with what was stated in the Lore of FF14, which is that the population of male Viera is SO LOW (and the birth rate abysmal), that they will force the males to stay in the woods.

It's already bad enough that the females are going to be a playable race. That also completely breaks with the lore (even the females are supposed to be reclusive).

If SE really wants to give players male Viera, then do so, that's great. But they'd have to CHANGE the lore, otherwise there's no point to the lore at all.

No, I stated the percentage is from the Encylopedia of Eorzea II... this is FF14 lore - it's regarding FF14 Ivalice population...???

... Lore also states that more and more of them are leaving the wood... you should probably read up on known lore if you're going to use it as a shield.

[Kaedan]

Sorry, don't have the book. Can you SS the relevant parts you're referring to? All I have to go by is in-game lore (which contradicts the encyclopedia if what you say is true).

[Alacran]

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

Shipp my old comrade of the Samurai Tank/ DPS wars, I'm afraid we find ourselves on different sides this time. I for one have no fear that Male Viera will be added to the game, and am 100% certain they will be. How can me so certain you may ask?

We got them got them to gives us Viera, a race Yoshi himself didn't want in the game. Should they now, in this environment, try to gender lock a race in this game, right as it's gaining main stream popularity, they will be inundated with so much negative attention and demand, that they will recourse but to implement them by way of apology.

It's an ugly to do it, and an even uglier way to win things, but if they shoot themselves in the foot now, they will have brought it down on themselves. ...and i'm not just saying that for the sake of my alt:

[Kogekigami]

You see,
*summons a Yo-kai Watch™ minion*
while I'm all for
*summons a car mount*
male Viera and all
*kills Kefka*
I just don't think
*queues for Nier™: Automata™ raid*
they'd be lore friendly
*puts on official Garo™ glamour*
and it would ruin my immersion
*glamours a Final Fantasy XIII™ weapon*
you know?
*flicks through tomestone phone*

lets add 500 kiritos on male miquotes who have a naming lore.

[InkstainedGwyn]

People need to stop equating "PC game population" and "Canon game population". If the two were equivalent, your lore would already be broken because there's a good ~7.5-15k Warriors of Light on every server. Given that it only takes 4/8 players to achieve any of the objectives towards freeing Doma/Gyr Abania, and 24 to deal with all of the Ivalice doom and gloom, then we should be all set to just ride on up to Garlemald and stomp Solus and Varis, right? A few dozen can smash each ascian and we're done.

.... Except that the game is written with the assumption that there is only one current WoL. That's the "rare Viera from the wood". That's why the "rare miqo'te male" works, too. You can establish whatever game-population lore you want, but the "numbers" only work at any time when applied to the single canon WoL.