Being kicked for being BLUE

[Metalwrath]

Small correction to this, level 50 is perfectly equipped to clear the ARR extreme primals if people are doing mechanics as intended, but that's not how level 70 players are conducting the fights, and there are plenty of phase transition attacks triggered by hp% (like Ifrit, Garuda, or Leviathan's transitions) that no level 50 has the HP to survive without having killed the "intended" mechanic, like Nails, Sisters, or Spumes, which these parties aren't doing because level 70s can just eat the attack.

Actually Ifrit glitches on one of his phases and becomes unkillable and spams his enrage at a certain point.no level 70's can survive that.And from doing plenty of khloe parties myself i can tell its not a case of ignoring the mechanics because they can always.A lot of the time its because they never actually bothered learning any of the mechanics.The amount of times ive had to deal with especially mentors on turn 9 dropping meteors all over the map wiping everyone adn ignoring instructions only for them to be the one to rage because we cant carry how bad they are,
I get it once again there are going to be some trash blue players but they are no different than the trash from any other jobs.
The issue is with the general assumption that all blues are bad or cant carry their weight.If blue mages die in enrages i dont see how thats going to stop you being able to finish off an ex lvl 50 fight anyway.
And once again for the last time as half the poster in the thread dont seem to be able to read i am not talking about myself being kicked.

[Metalwrath]

Exactly this. I'm not going to do Levi, Titan, Shiva (well, any ARR primals) sync'd, and unless all we're doing is standing there healing you while you do all of the damage, there's no way to do an ARR primal at 70 without skipping phases. Even with Levi, because he has so many phases, we usually just have the tank auto-attack until we're out of the woods and even then he goes down in the matter of a minute or two. And when we take 50s in to get their ponies, they're always dead within the first few large-scale attacks. There's no way around it, even with a healer constantly attending their health.

All of this to say, WT parties are not the place to get your BLU skills. There's no reason someone can't go into a WT trial and clear a WT entry while helping BLUs get their skills, but parties looking to farm WT (or ponies) aren't going to want to jump that many hoops to keep a BLU up when that's not even what they're there for. Make your own party or get some FC folks to help out - and if it's your party and you have folks pushing you to speed it up, it's then in your rights to kick them since it's not what the party is for.

Ramuh is still autowipe regardless of hp and Ifrit bugs on his enrage.
You'd be surprised the amount of times lvl 70 parties wipe because they think they can just ignore their mechanics.

[dotsforlife]

i feel its unfair.

The only thing unfair is the amount of entitled snowflakes with no common sense around here.

[Bacent]

Been noticing recently this has started happening in khloe parties.People refusing to let blues into khloe party on level 50 content or kicking them when they join.

Fair enough if they come undergeared for the fight but apart from that i feel its unfair.

Must be hard to not read what kind of party it is. If they took the time to type 'Khloe party', then you can take the time to understand that people want FAST clears for it. Blu isn't fast. This shouldn't be surprising at all.

[AleXwern]

Actually Ifrit glitches on one of his phases and becomes unkillable and spams his enrage at a certain point.no level 70's can survive that.And from doing plenty of khloe parties myself i can tell its not a case of ignoring the mechanics because they can always.A lot of the time its because they never actually bothered learning any of the mechanics.The amount of times ive had to deal with especially mentors on turn 9 dropping meteors all over the map wiping everyone adn ignoring instructions only for them to be the one to rage because we cant carry how bad they are,
I get it once again there are going to be some trash blue players but they are no different than the trash from any other jobs.
The issue is with the general assumption that all blues are bad or cant carry their weight.If blue mages die in enrages i dont see how thats going to stop you being able to finish off an ex lvl 50 fight anyway.
And once again for the last time as half the poster in the thread dont seem to be able to read i am not talking about myself being kicked.

Ifrit spamming Hellfire is not a glitch, it's the earliest form of hard enrage this game ever had. It's there to wipe you because you have ignored an important mechanic (nails). Just don't push Ifrit past 60/40/10% before nails are killed and you are fine. Considering what T2 was like, it's not hard to imagine why it's like that.
Also you could just do Ifrit HM where you can freely push him and survive enrage with shields.

[Emstidor]

Actually Ifrit glitches on one of his phases and becomes unkillable and spams his enrage at a certain point.no level 70's can survive that.

Extreme Ifrit has three Hellfires paired with three Nail phases, and only the very last one behaves as you described, but the other two non-nail-killed-Hellfires will absolutely splatter a 50 BLM even at full health.

If blue mages die in enrages i dont see how thats going to stop you being able to finish off an ex lvl 50 fight anyway.

Because you can't learn the BLU skill if you are dead when the target dies. So now the burden is on another party member to revive him. Otherwise, if the response is "Just leave him dead", then what was the point of letting him come along in the first place?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Ramuh is still autowipe regardless of hp and Ifrit bugs on his enrage.
You'd be surprised the amount of times lvl 70 parties wipe because they think they can just ignore their mechanics.

I'm highly aware of what every single 50/60/70 Primal enrage phase and autowipe mechanic is, given that I farm them weekly for mounts and WT. (And, given your comment about Ifrit "glitching" I'm pretty sure you don't know them all, since that's his enrage timer.)

What I'm saying is that unless you're a friend or in my FC, I'm not going to carry you for your BLU skills if the purpose of my run is not to get people their BLU skills. This is not "oh, you can just fill a spot and nobody will notice" this is "you're going to spend most of the fight on the ground complaining that you didn't see the attack you wanted, didn't have the aggro you needed, and could we please slow down/rez you?"

No. Go form a party specifically for learning BLU skills.

[Metalwrath]

Once again more posts where people dont bother to read thread or posts.
I havent stated it was affecting me but the trolls seem to just keep pouring in.
My point remains even if a blue mage dies they go in their knowing that.How is that affecting the level 70 players?It's not.Even if they dont learn the spell.These arent new players.They have khloe books too.

[Metalwrath]

I'm highly aware of what every single 50/60/70 Primal enrage phase and autowipe mechanic is, given that I farm them weekly for mounts and WT. (And, given your comment about Ifrit "glitching" I'm pretty sure you don't know them all, since that's his enrage timer.)

What I'm saying is that unless you're a friend or in my FC, I'm not going to carry you for your BLU skills if the purpose of my run is not to get people their BLU skills. This is not "oh, you can just fill a spot and nobody will notice" this is "you're going to spend most of the fight on the ground complaining that you didn't see the attack you wanted, didn't have the aggro you needed, and could we please slow down/rez you?"

No. Go form a party specifically for learning BLU skills.

Most of the fight on the ground ?Not really unless enrages are now at start of fight.As for me stating it glitches Ifrit yeah i wasnt aware the enrage attack continued over and over did it.Back in ARR you wiped in one enrage attack.You didnt get to see it being cast over and over again back in ARR because you were not level 70 with giant hp amount to survive more than one enrage attack.You had to actually do mechanics back then.I know its strange concept to people who didnt play back then.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Ew, this logic is disgusting. Fair play is winning for everyone. Unfair elitists don't win.

How are BLU mage players playing fair, by leeching off of other lvl 70 players in that situation? Parasitism is fair play now?