Being kicked for being BLUE

[Metalwrath]

I'm sorry to hear that people are kicking you out due to playing Blue Mage. But at the same time I feel the limitations that Blue Mage had is why they kicked you out. You are stuck at level 50 while they are probably level 70 and want to just clear the content fast and then leave. Blue Mage in this scenario acts similar to a leech in that regard.

I think people have posted some advice about forming your own party and being specific about what you want to do. You can't expect everyone to welcome you with open arms as you are playing a job that isn't exactly beneficial to a group of level 70. (Even though I'm sure they should be able to solo most of the EX primals by now)

It's not happening to me.Please read the thread for god sake.
I'm pointed it out because it's hapepning to other players and the fact is that any job including blue mages can clear lvl 50 content.You dont need a gang of lvl 70 players to burst down lvl 50 extremes espcially when most of them have enrages that you have to stop zerging at points unless you want to wipe.

[Metalwrath]

I think it's less about the ability of a group to carry a Blue Mage and more about someone joining a group that is not aimed at them hoping to get a quick and easy carry and maybe get a spell out of it.
We call it entitlement.

It's lvl 50 content.Not lvl 70 content.At that lvl it's only a carry if the lvl 50 player is bad/not doing mechanics.Contrary to belief to some bad players you dont need to be lvl 70 to beat lvl 50 content.We managed to farm it fine back in ARR with lvl 50 jobs and judging by your join date i can gurantee you had many carries by lvl 60 players on outdated ARR content.

[Hasrat]

I think it's less about the ability of a group to carry a Blue Mage and more about someone joining a group that is not aimed at them hoping to get a quick and easy carry and maybe get a spell out of it.
We call it entitlement.

Again, tho, I don't see that argument being strictly BLU-centric. I joined in on ARR EX runs for WT back when I hadn't even bought expansions and was capped at 50. I didn't even have access to the journal, so I was getting next to nothing out of it, and it certainly wasn't aimed at me. As a 50, whether you're following along with mechanics or not, honestly, it's a carry no matter what; your contributions are minimal relative to the group. It's ARR content, and it'd be rather silly to expect players to be at level cap before they tackle it.

I've genuinely never seen any party have any issue at all with 50s joining in on old EX WT runs. There's just no reason for it. Unless the PF is up during dead hours, it's going to find enough people to get an easy clear regardless. Nobody cares enough to put in the effort to kick anyone just for, what, shaving off a couple seconds of something that will take 2 minutes or less?

To bring this all back around, I'd just like to point out that this side tangent argument is about whether PF groups care that you're minimum level for the content, regardless of job. BLUs specifically suffering from this is a discussion all its own. I don't personally feel they would be any more of a bother, but, I've also not spent much time on or around BLUs, so there could still be fair reasons to want any other job.

[Jib]

So you have been kicked out of the blue?... Ahaha see what I did there.. no?! .. not funny?!.. nevermind

More seriously, I see both sides of the argument. I have done many times level 50ex trials unsynced at level 70 and to be honest a lot of them you only need 3-4 players in TOTAL, because of as many of you said, it becomes actually bad to bring more if players are trigger happy due to restrictions on dps. I have more wipes no these wipes due to too much dps than actually to bad mechanics or anything else. So if it was me I would have no problem in bringing BLU players as long as they know mechanics of fight. If it isn’t unsynched then that is different. I can imagine some of them being difficult fights all being level 50 with 2-3 blu players in...

[Jib]

But also at the end the person that makes the group has the final say, and it is totally fair for them to decide what kind of players they want for their run. Imagine I’m doing a group for a fight that I want to try and just clear it with all healers or all tanks for funsies.. it is in my right not to accept dps for example because it is my party.

[Bonbori]

Personally I'd rather have a full party of 50s who can execute the mechanics perfectly and not wipe the party over and over because they don't understand how Ramuh works, than... people who don't understand how Ramuh works despite being 70.

That said, in Party Finder, I think the leader's wishes should always be honoured and anyone who disagrees should immediately leave the party. It takes less time to find another or make your own than to debate someone's policy. If the host doesn't want 50s or even BLUs specifically, or if they want a particular strat or party composition, that's their prerogative.

[Alleo]

Honestly I can understand the kick. Khloe parties want a fast and easy clear. Blue mages just dont pull the same weight that others do so they are carried through this. Not everyone wants to do that and dont forget that you will still die more easily with blue and learn no skills if you are death at the end and that a fast killing could mean that you never see the skill anyway. I read a topic on reddit where someone said that a blue rage quitted a khloe party because they did not wait around until the monster has casted the skill and that he also died at the end...I mean what are people thinking when they are joining khloe parties as blue? That 7 other people are just going to wait around and look after them even though it was not a "farm skill x" party?

[Niwashi]

I believe you can exclude jobs in the party finder. I guess most people don't think about it that much.

That's the proper way to exclude a job you don't want in your run. Excluding them from joining is fine. Whoever sets up the PF gets to define the conditions for it. But letting them join and then kicking them if they do is just rude.

I think the same issue might be in play for anyone signing up to an undersized run with a Lv50 class, and simply expecting it to be okay. It's a logical thing that if someone is recruiting an undersized party, they're looking for overleveled characters who can blast through the fight, and if you're joining when you're just at the minimum level for the content, then that's not what they're looking for.

And that's also something that should be set in the PF conditions. If you're going to insist that everyone has to be over-leveled, then make it a condition of joining.

[Niwashi]

OP why are you trying to join parties that aren't blue centric in the first place? Blue is extremely niche and not really built around normal content.

Part of the issue there is bad design. Blue Mage wasn't built around normal content, and yet it requires it anyway. Too many of its skills can only be learned in dungeons, trials, or raids. That's ok for now, when it's new and there's enough interest that there are a lot of blue mage centric parties forming. But for people starting blue mage a year from now, some of those skills are likely to be really hard to work on. I'd have rather seen more (and harder) open world content added where we could get those skills rather than just using the existing stuff in the open world and putting the rest into existing instances.

[DamianFatale]

They want you in a higher level job so they can do things faster? The party is theirs, they're in their right to kick you for it.

Ew, this logic is disgusting. Fair play is winning for everyone. Unfair elitists don't win.