Being kicked for being BLUE

[Hasrat]

I think the same issue might be in play for anyone signing up to an undersized run with a Lv50 class, and simply expecting it to be okay. It's a logical thing that if someone is recruiting an undersized party, they're looking for overleveled characters who can blast through the fight, and if you're joining when you're just at the minimum level for the content, then that's not what they're looking for.

Maybe they didn't explicitly ban you from joining in the first place, but there's still a degree of "what's expected" and it's not expected that a Lv50 player will join to run a Lv50 trial unsynched. It defeats the purpose of undersizing in the first place.

It might be different if you sent a message and asked for permission to join.

On this point, I would disagree. As the focus of this discussion is WT and EX runs, any player paying attention knows that the only way to get a clear for them is undersized PF. I've never had any trouble joining up for any of them, and was often welcomed at the time (yay, bonus tomes). Sure, I would often eat the floor on any mechanics pushed harder than squishy me could handle. But it wasn't as if I was seriously holding back the clear. At a point where a few 70s can get through easy enough, carrying a 50 or two isn't much of a burden.

[Skos]

On this point, I would disagree. As the focus of this discussion is WT and EX runs, any player paying attention knows that the only way to get a clear for them is undersized PF. I've never had any trouble joining up for any of them, and was often welcomed at the time (yay, bonus tomes). Sure, I would often eat the floor on any mechanics pushed harder than squishy me could handle. But it wasn't as if I was seriously holding back the clear. At a point where a few 70s can get through easy enough, carrying a 50 or two isn't much of a burden.

I think it's less about the ability of a group to carry a Blue Mage and more about someone joining a group that is not aimed at them hoping to get a quick and easy carry and maybe get a spell out of it.
We call it entitlement.

[Metalwrath]

I think it's less about the ability of a group to carry a Blue Mage and more about someone joining a group that is not aimed at them hoping to get a quick and easy carry and maybe get a spell out of it.
We call it entitlement.

It's lvl 50 content.Not lvl 70 content.At that lvl it's only a carry if the lvl 50 player is bad/not doing mechanics.Contrary to belief to some bad players you dont need to be lvl 70 to beat lvl 50 content.We managed to farm it fine back in ARR with lvl 50 jobs and judging by your join date i can gurantee you had many carries by lvl 60 players on outdated ARR content.

[whiskeybravo]

It's lvl 50 content.Not lvl 70 content.At that lvl it's only a carry if the lvl 50 player is bad/not doing mechanics.Contrary to belief to some bad players you dont need to be lvl 70 to beat lvl 50 content.We managed to farm it fine back in ARR with lvl 50 jobs and judging by your join date i can gurantee you had many carries by lvl 60 players on outdated ARR content.

That doesn't really matter. BLU isn't joining a WT party to complete WT, they're there to leech for a chance to learn their skill. Now I probably personally wouldn't care one way or the other, but if I did decide to exclude BLU from that sort of party it would be based on principle that this isn't a BLU carry party.

[Emstidor]

It's lvl 50 content.Not lvl 70 content.At that lvl it's only a carry if the lvl 50 player is bad/not doing mechanics.Contrary to belief to some bad players you dont need to be lvl 70 to beat lvl 50 content.We managed to farm it fine back in ARR with lvl 50 jobs and judging by your join date i can gurantee you had many carries by lvl 60 players on outdated ARR content.

Small correction to this, level 50 is perfectly equipped to clear the ARR extreme primals if people are doing mechanics as intended, but that's not how level 70 players are conducting the fights, and there are plenty of phase transition attacks triggered by hp% (like Ifrit, Garuda, or Leviathan's transitions) that no level 50 has the HP to survive without having killed the "intended" mechanic, like Nails, Sisters, or Spumes, which these parties aren't doing because level 70s can just eat the attack.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Small correction to this, level 50 is perfectly equipped to clear the ARR extreme primals if people are doing mechanics as intended, but that's not how level 70 players are conducting the fights, and there are plenty of phase transition attacks triggered by hp% (like Ifrit, Garuda, or Leviathan's transitions) that no level 50 has the HP to survive without having killed the "intended" mechanic, like Nails, Sisters, or Spumes, which these parties aren't doing because level 70s can just eat the attack.

Exactly this. I'm not going to do Levi, Titan, Shiva (well, any ARR primals) sync'd, and unless all we're doing is standing there healing you while you do all of the damage, there's no way to do an ARR primal at 70 without skipping phases. Even with Levi, because he has so many phases, we usually just have the tank auto-attack until we're out of the woods and even then he goes down in the matter of a minute or two. And when we take 50s in to get their ponies, they're always dead within the first few large-scale attacks. There's no way around it, even with a healer constantly attending their health.

All of this to say, WT parties are not the place to get your BLU skills. There's no reason someone can't go into a WT trial and clear a WT entry while helping BLUs get their skills, but parties looking to farm WT (or ponies) aren't going to want to jump that many hoops to keep a BLU up when that's not even what they're there for. Make your own party or get some FC folks to help out - and if it's your party and you have folks pushing you to speed it up, it's then in your rights to kick them since it's not what the party is for.

[Metalwrath]

Exactly this. I'm not going to do Levi, Titan, Shiva (well, any ARR primals) sync'd, and unless all we're doing is standing there healing you while you do all of the damage, there's no way to do an ARR primal at 70 without skipping phases. Even with Levi, because he has so many phases, we usually just have the tank auto-attack until we're out of the woods and even then he goes down in the matter of a minute or two. And when we take 50s in to get their ponies, they're always dead within the first few large-scale attacks. There's no way around it, even with a healer constantly attending their health.

All of this to say, WT parties are not the place to get your BLU skills. There's no reason someone can't go into a WT trial and clear a WT entry while helping BLUs get their skills, but parties looking to farm WT (or ponies) aren't going to want to jump that many hoops to keep a BLU up when that's not even what they're there for. Make your own party or get some FC folks to help out - and if it's your party and you have folks pushing you to speed it up, it's then in your rights to kick them since it's not what the party is for.

Ramuh is still autowipe regardless of hp and Ifrit bugs on his enrage.
You'd be surprised the amount of times lvl 70 parties wipe because they think they can just ignore their mechanics.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Ramuh is still autowipe regardless of hp and Ifrit bugs on his enrage.
You'd be surprised the amount of times lvl 70 parties wipe because they think they can just ignore their mechanics.

I'm highly aware of what every single 50/60/70 Primal enrage phase and autowipe mechanic is, given that I farm them weekly for mounts and WT. (And, given your comment about Ifrit "glitching" I'm pretty sure you don't know them all, since that's his enrage timer.)

What I'm saying is that unless you're a friend or in my FC, I'm not going to carry you for your BLU skills if the purpose of my run is not to get people their BLU skills. This is not "oh, you can just fill a spot and nobody will notice" this is "you're going to spend most of the fight on the ground complaining that you didn't see the attack you wanted, didn't have the aggro you needed, and could we please slow down/rez you?"

No. Go form a party specifically for learning BLU skills.

[Metalwrath]

Small correction to this, level 50 is perfectly equipped to clear the ARR extreme primals if people are doing mechanics as intended, but that's not how level 70 players are conducting the fights, and there are plenty of phase transition attacks triggered by hp% (like Ifrit, Garuda, or Leviathan's transitions) that no level 50 has the HP to survive without having killed the "intended" mechanic, like Nails, Sisters, or Spumes, which these parties aren't doing because level 70s can just eat the attack.

Actually Ifrit glitches on one of his phases and becomes unkillable and spams his enrage at a certain point.no level 70's can survive that.And from doing plenty of khloe parties myself i can tell its not a case of ignoring the mechanics because they can always.A lot of the time its because they never actually bothered learning any of the mechanics.The amount of times ive had to deal with especially mentors on turn 9 dropping meteors all over the map wiping everyone adn ignoring instructions only for them to be the one to rage because we cant carry how bad they are,
I get it once again there are going to be some trash blue players but they are no different than the trash from any other jobs.
The issue is with the general assumption that all blues are bad or cant carry their weight.If blue mages die in enrages i dont see how thats going to stop you being able to finish off an ex lvl 50 fight anyway.
And once again for the last time as half the poster in the thread dont seem to be able to read i am not talking about myself being kicked.

[AleXwern]

Actually Ifrit glitches on one of his phases and becomes unkillable and spams his enrage at a certain point.no level 70's can survive that.And from doing plenty of khloe parties myself i can tell its not a case of ignoring the mechanics because they can always.A lot of the time its because they never actually bothered learning any of the mechanics.The amount of times ive had to deal with especially mentors on turn 9 dropping meteors all over the map wiping everyone adn ignoring instructions only for them to be the one to rage because we cant carry how bad they are,
I get it once again there are going to be some trash blue players but they are no different than the trash from any other jobs.
The issue is with the general assumption that all blues are bad or cant carry their weight.If blue mages die in enrages i dont see how thats going to stop you being able to finish off an ex lvl 50 fight anyway.
And once again for the last time as half the poster in the thread dont seem to be able to read i am not talking about myself being kicked.

Ifrit spamming Hellfire is not a glitch, it's the earliest form of hard enrage this game ever had. It's there to wipe you because you have ignored an important mechanic (nails). Just don't push Ifrit past 60/40/10% before nails are killed and you are fine. Considering what T2 was like, it's not hard to imagine why it's like that.
Also you could just do Ifrit HM where you can freely push him and survive enrage with shields.