So people are defending the msq dc exploit

[kikix12]

That's a lot of ignorant assumptions out of you.

What are ignorant assumptions?!

The fact that there weren't many people using party finder for doing those dungeons?!
If there were, there wouldn't been this whole witch hunt against the bad veterans.

The fact that most of the people defending this change are not the actual rookies?!
Just look at the forum join dates of the posters. Only ONE poster is actually new and saying that she recently did the content and was happy for it being this way. She also said that now that she is a veteran she rarely does it because she doesn't have the kind of time for that.

That even among those rookies that DO enjoy it being like that, for many it's only first time around?!
Just look above. She literally says that she doesn't do it more than once or twice a month because she doesn't have the time. Ultimately they take less than an hour, an hour maybe. So she have the free time to actually play them if she have the free time to actually play MMO's...but they are not enjoyable to her enough to win against other content when that time is restricted to that 1 or 2 hours.


So tell me...where are the assumptions?! Assumptions are something taken out of thin air. Not something based on information. That's analysis. You ASSUME things, then taking into consideration that assumption you analyze or test things. That's how research goes.

Maybe some people understand what it takes to make for a decent gaming experience;(...)

This is just false. "Decent gaming experience" is 100% relative. There are people that love game X and can play it for hundredths of hours...while others cannot force themselves to pass the 1h mark. There are TONS of popular games that I drop within several dozens of minutes. There are TONS of them I don't even pick up. That's because I have mostly a "niche" interest and dislike rather common design choices. But that does not make these games bad nor does it make my tastes wrong.

No one argues that players shouldn't be allowed to see the cutscenes and play that content. If you think otherwise then you are either lying to yourself...or YOU'RE the ignorant one. What we are talking is that this forcing 'band-aid' is a wrong choice. They should FIX the problem so that people that want to run that content without cutscenes can do so, while those that want to run it with cutscenes could do so. That is entirely possible. Even a simple box when queueing in "Do you want unskippable cutscenes? Yes/No" with reward based on which you pick would be better than this dumpster idea.
And before people inevitably cry "But then no one will run that roulette with cutscenes and rookies still won't watch them!"...that's what you are literally asking for. "Don't do it if you don't like it." is just that. If these people could not take advantage of this method to speed it up for them (and seriously, for some just the doing something part is probably helping to deal with it), they would not queue. At that point what is the difference?!

Of course, a real fix would be making that content possible to do solo with AI. At that point no one loses anything. Players can take as much time as they want playing around with it (with an instant queue!)...or they can go and queue with people to roflstomp it in a rush. But of course...that would take a little bit of effort from the developers for old content...(these instances are way too simple for the effort to actually be all that much, seeing as the squads stupid AI would be better for it than it is for some other dungeons that were released for it). That's a fix.

Again, if the devs changed it to be this way, there's probably a reason.

Developers are not infallible. They made Diadem for a reason too. They made Eureka for a reason too. They made Lord of Vermilion for a reason too. And the Glamour Dresser.

And your point is?! All of those are either effectively dead or severely crippled compared to what players actually wanted. Eureka is so active because of the relic and tons of other collectable incentives forced into it, not because it's good content. If it was so devoid of unique rewards it'd go the way of Diadem long ago.

And classes?! They made Scholar and Summoner tied to Arcanist, but that was a completely stupid idea from the beginning. They admitted that it was a mistake themselves. They too had a reason to do it that way. It sounded "cool" to them, it seemed like a "fun idea". They failed. And they failed even more because they were burned on the first attempt at a cool system just because they used it in the worst possible way. The problem never was a class branching into two. It was always with what that classed branched into. Arcanist have nothing to do with Summoner thematically or mechanically, while it have nothing to do with Scholar as a healer role-wise. It couldn't have worked.

[SturmChurro]

I actually get queues for main story roulette quite often. A lot faster than a lot of the other ones, to be honest.

[AxlStream]

So just never queue up for it. Let the newbies pay for the ARR story skip. They'll be forced to when they're all stuck on DPS roles with no tank or healer veterans being in the queue for them.

[SturmChurro]

So just never queue up for it. Let the newbies pay for the ARR story skip. They'll be forced to when they're all stuck on DPS roles with no tank or healer veterans being in the queue for them.

I usually see the tanks as the sprouts.

[KaivaC]

Last time i checked this was a story dungeon.As in it was designed for story and thus being a new player dungeon.I dont recall reading anywhere that they have changed the dungeon to be a place for level 70 players to farm tomes.The tomes are just there as a reward for older players participating and helping the new players clear content in the way it was designed to be enjoyed.
I havent seen any notes anywhere from SE stating it's ok to use a glitch to either force other players to use the same glitch or to deny new players of participating in the story content ie the boss fights.

Too many self entitled high leveled players in this thread who only seem to care about themselves and contribute to the toxicity that exists in duty finder.

Hopefully SE will start banning these players though i'd say they will only be able to ban players who have repeatadly broken the TOS with this glitch as players can get random disconnects from network issues and it would be bad to accidently punish them also.

The game is designed for new and old players and older players need to start remembering that because if you keep up the toxicity towards newer players you wil drive them away and eventually the game will start dying when older players leave and there are no new players to replace them.

The post I originally wanted to comment on before the lockout. I just love how people point out some obvious flaws and stand by how bad a particular XIV system is, and automatically invites labels of 'self-entitled' and 'contributing to toxicity'. Are you serious right now? Have you played with anybody in this thread through the MSQ to even back up that opinion? Maybe all of us so-called "self-entitled" people don't even engage in that type of behavior. Maybe some of us don't even run ahead of sprouts just so they don't get lost or left behind. But you don't know that, do you? Nah...much easier to just resort to calling out people whom you've probably never played with or experienced an MSQ run with. Far easier to group in those toxic players with those that don't align with an opinion of yours, hm?

The fact of the matter is that if the devs didn't want vets to run the place, they wouldn't have increased the rewards in the fashion that they have. Some have argued that this was a necessary evil simply because their spaghetti code may not allow them to separate the whole cutscene issue between the DF, PF, and the Unending Journey. Still doesn't mean that people simply don't like it. A lot of us want to help the new players - but being forced to sit through long cutscenes (and being told to not run it if you don't like it) just sounds incredibly silly.

You know what? I was one of those rookies not very long ago - and I appreciated that I could watch those scenes guilt-free.

If you don't like that they are unskippable, don't run the damned things. It's not that complicated.

Hell, I don't run the MSQ more than once or twice a month simply because I just don't have the time to devote to it. You don't see me crying about losing out on the reward because of it....

Another case of min-maxers looking to dictate the terms of everything of an MMO, as usual....

Are my post counts back? Good.

And grats on saying you were a rookie not very long ago. Guess what - so were all of us at one point or another. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the devs put rewards in there to incentivize vets into actually spending the time of day to help new players get through it. But let's take this to its logical conclusion, hm? What if vets just stopped running MSQ roulette altogether. Like, all of them. In this scenario, vets are anybody who has cleared both dungeons. I'd imagine that this would significantly increase queue times - maybe perhaps back to pre-Raid Roulette levels, maybe even longer. Maybe not immediately, but it will eventually happen.

Love how you're grandstanding here. "Dictate the terms of everything of an MMO". No, it's just pointing out a very obvious flaw in a dumb solution.

[Theodric]

Hopefully those responsible endure a severe punishment.

I quite like that I can tab out and do other things during the scenes in question if I happen to get either of the MSQ dungeons in my daily Mentor roulette. Usually I post on the forum in between battles, or chat on Discord with a friend. People could take the time to make themselves a quick snack, or do a bit of tidying up.

[Mixt]

A particularly vindictive suggestion.

Give back the ability to skip cutscenes, but if there is a new player in the instance, and that player skips any of the cutscenes, nobody gets any rewards.
Grats on wasting your time, no gil or tomes or anything else for you.

And if a first timer get's vote kicked out, everyone who voted yes to the kick ALSO get kicked, as well as receive a 2 hour penalty instead of the normal 30 minute one.
Or just end the whole instance as if a Vote Abandon had passed, then hand out penalties to those who voted yes, while the newbie and those who voted no are able to reque instantly.

Like i said, vindictive as hell, but nothing less than the community deserves.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

A particularly vindictive suggestion.

Give back the ability to skip cutscenes, but if there is a new player in the instance, and that player skips any of the cutscenes, nobody gets any rewards.
Grats on wasting your time, no gil or tomes or anything else for you.

And if a first timer get's vote kicked out, everyone who voted yes to the kick ALSO get kicked, as well as receive a 2 hour penalty instead of the normal 30 minute one.
Or just end the whole instance as if a Vote Abandon had passed, then hand out penalties to those who voted yes, while the newbie and those who voted no are able to reque instantly.

Like i said, vindictive as hell, but nothing less than the community deserves.

Better yet, how about all veterans just boycott MSQ roulette en masse and see how long it takes to sprouts to complain Castrum and Prae are impossible to complete?

Then we'll see if they care that much about skipping cutscenes that they have to screw the same veteran that are gladly filling up the queue for their sake.

Remember, MSQ roulette exists for veterans to fill out the queue for the sprouts, not for the sprouts to give veterans rewards.

[Kurando]

Remember, MSQ roulette exists for veterans to fill out the queue for the sprouts, not for the sprouts to give veterans rewards.

Surely we can say that about most of the roulettes as they often help sprouts or new timers to compete the duty they originally queued up for. Granted no other duties force cutscenes but all the roulettes offer incentives regardless of who is queuing up for them.

[Ilenya]

Better yet, how about all veterans just boycott MSQ roulette en masse and see how long it takes to sprouts to complain Castrum and Prae are impossible to complete?

Then we'll see if they care that much about skipping cutscenes that they have to screw the same veteran that are gladly filling up the queue for their sake.

Remember, MSQ roulette exists for veterans to fill out the queue for the sprouts, not for the sprouts to give veterans rewards.

Are...Are you saying we should force people to skip cutscenes? Because that is kinda what it sounds like, though I may be reading it wrong.