All that BLU hate is just absurd

[Seraphor]

"Dev responses". Are you a dev?

I did not say it would be side-content because it's staggered. The two are separate. It will be staggered. It will be side-content. It will therefore be staggered side-content. Nothing I said implied a connection between the two. I never implied you, or even the devs, made a connection between those two qualities.

You specifically said that I had taken a reason to dislike it and made it worse.
So what did i say if it wasnt what i said?

[Shurrikhan]

You specifically said that I had taken a reason to dislike it and made it worse.
So what did i say if it wasnt what i said?

You seem to be confusing yourself. Here.

From this we cannot tell how our content will be affected beyond gradual level cap increased and lack of a duty finder. If it's 50 in 4.5, 60 in 5.0, 70 in 5.1 and 80 in 5.2, then we'll have an on content Blue Mage in 5.2.
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I think too many conclusions are being drawn.
Known facts:
In 4.5 it'll be limited to level 50 to trial the job.
It'll not be able to use the duty finder.
It'll be able to queue in premades. Party finder remains an option. They cannot do roulettes, but exp boost elsewhere.
We know the job will use enemy abilities by learning them from fighting them and have a percentage chance to learn.
We know it'll start from level 1 with one skill and seen a handful of them.
We know SE plans to increase the level cap with patches. How that'll work or their reasoning we don't know.
We do not know how flexibile SE is based on the feedback they get once we play the job.
We don't know how the job itself will play, how OP it will be of how it works in the "solo play" dynamic or what content is accessible or whether it is enjoyable. We also don't know if it is going to be completely true to how it worked in XI, this much is only inferred from the existing FFXI logic they've used. So we don't know if it something that can tank/heal/DPS. but we do know it'll get ranged magic DPS gear.

From this we cannot tell if the "cannot use duty finder" aspect will be dire, we don't know how it'll be once people are forced to not rely on it. We could see the Party Finder used more for group content as a result of this and people get used to the idea of using this more in addition to Duty Finder. Of course, it could remain as is and people instinctively go for their duty roulettes.

From this we cannot tell how the job will play.
From this we cannot tell how our content will be affected beyond gradual level cap increased and lack of a duty finder. If it's 50 in 4.5, 60 in 5.0, 70 in 5.1 and 80 in 5.2, then we'll have an on content Blue Mage in 5.2. If we're talking mid patches, it could be sooner. If we're talking every other patch, you get the idea. The lack of duty finder is not the end of the world, it makes partying harder, but SE has at least given us too tools and we're not quite back to the old MMO days of shouting for groups. It could be that Blue Mage is tough enough to handle most content on their own and not need a party.
We cannot tell if limited jobs is an entirely new aspect of game play isolated from the current raid content and as an alternative type of content. We cannot tell if the case that it's going to be good or that it's going to be awful, like many of us found Eureka to be.

There's too much uncertainty to know that it's going to be awful and conversely that it is going to be amazing. I am not sure why people are losing their minds just yet. At least when its out in a couple of months, we can find out how concerns have been addressed. But I expect in 4.5 it is going to be a taster and the true representation of it will be in 5.0, but at least at 4.5 we can have a better idea either way.

This is probably the best case scenario that a lot of critical people are hoping we end up with and are trying to get the devs to consider. I still find it objectionable to beta test jobs on paying customers.

Was Eureka beta testing?
How about omega raids, were O1-4 beta tests for O9-12?
Woukd you rather we didnt get Blue Mage at all until 5.2?

Its not beta testing, its just staggered content, a fundamental of MMOs.

You've taken a reason for disappointment and replaced it with a reason for disgust.

As Reinha said, BLU being in extended "beta-testing" until 8.1 or beyond would still be the best case scenario. If it's not a testing phase, then the only intent to remain is that it always be staggered behind real content, that it will never be a real job and will never make a positive impact on the existing roster or core content.

Sadly, dev responses so far suggest you're correct. It will probably be staggered side-content, and nothing more.

First, possibility with a reason to be disappointed: BLU will approach a real job bit by bit and eventually be included in real content while it's still real and current, but not for a while. (The intent of the delay is to ensure true readiness.)

Your second possibility, equivalent to what other posters here have shown disgust with: BLU will never be a real job, but simply be released in addition patches of its own as further side-content. (The product has not been delayed. It is merely being released as intended -- in parts, just as Eureka was before.)

Your tone implied you thought it reasonable that second possibility should be seen as better. As both persons before yourself in that conversation already treated what you suggested in defense of BLU's implementation, as had been revealed to players thus far, as the worst option, I was confused as to why you would choose this form of placation.

tl;dr: "Well, at least it's not just shit for shit's sake." "True, we could make crops with this." "What?! This shit is 100% pure! Stop trying to repurpose it for irrelevant things. It's not for aiding some later product; it will be what it will be, just as it was intended to be." "*Facepalm* You really don't know how to sell fecal matter, do you? Here, let me clarify the buyers' interests here."

Obviously, BLU side-content is kind of decent if appreciated in a certain way. But that clearly wasn't a way to which the people you were responding to found as appreciable. So I attempted to clarify the arguments thus far, since you seemed badly off-base. If my tone seemed defensive, it was likely because I couldn't tell whether your misunderstanding was in fact intentional.