All that BLU hate is just absurd

[Moogly]

Broken expectations.

We see rage thread, we see unsub thread, we see job reworking suggestion thread...
all about a piece of content that hasn't even been released.
People spent last months datamining every patch, each and every one building its own perfect fantasy of what a BLU should be.
It was more than obvious that SE was going to have a hard time pleasing everybody...

Consider this :

SE didn't have to do it - YoshiP even was asked about BLU in the past, and he clearly said that knowing how BLU worked in previous FF, it would be hard to adapt it to a ffxiv job.
So I believe they did BLU the way they did it so that it would call to hardcore FF fans, by staying true to its nature. It wasn't aimed at raid fans, who already have plenty of combat class available - and will get even more with Shadowbringers (my guess is 2 : Gunblader/tank, and Dancer/healer)

It's still a work in progress.
If it works well, who knows what the 4.5 BLU will evolve into. Don't complain as if BLU was doomed to stay the way it is forever. It's not Shadowbringers content yet... it's just a Stormblood patch. It will evolve as announced by YoshiP. So wait for 4.5, then play BLU, actually get your hands on it and play it for real : and then... well many will still complain, so go on

People also complain about monotony : it's always the same thing every patch, 4 boss, a dungeon, more MSQ... HoH is just PotD, Eureka is just Diadem....
Now we get something completely new... I won't say it's an innovation in itself, since BLU mechs have been there for a while, but they're bringing something new, at least in ffxiv. When people just spit at any new idea the devs offer us, it makes me wonder if those people really know what they want... So once in a while you want something different from raid, dungeons, trials... What is it ? What better things could the dev spend their time on ?

And people say it's solo content in a mmo game. Yes, no raid or matchmaking, but you run dungeons with a premade right ? So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

[Burningskull]

And people say it's solo content in a mmo game. Yes, no raid or matchmaking, but you run dungeons with a premade right ? So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

No I don't have an FC I also am not sitting in PF for hours waiting for a Tank and Healer to be kind enough to run something they are not going to get anything out of.

Sarcasm aside. I don't see how Blu is "Something completely new."

[Elerus]

So just get in PF (guess it should work) or get some friends to play with you!
Don't you guys have guilds ?

No, and wouldn't you know it I don't have a phone either.

[Tharnor]

We hate it because it is creating a new job system that does not integrate in any meaningful way with current content. It will also drain away resources away from the original system. There is plenty of ways op skills could have been integrated without making the class extremely overpowered and keep it FF lore friendly. It has been done with all the iconic classes in some shape and form.

Wanting change does not mean start something completely different and take resources away from existing systems. It means do more interesting things with the current systems. This game is already suffering from an extreme sense of playing several different games at once. We do not need even more added to the increasing thin pile.

[Moogly]

We hate it because it is creating a new job system that does not integrate in any meaningful way with current content. It will also drain away resources away from the original system. There is plenty of ways op skills could have been integrated without making the class extremely overpowered and keep it FF lore friendly. It has been done with all the iconic classes in some shape and form.

As I said, it wasn't aimed to be played with current content (raid)... it's capped to lvl 50.
And here again, you talk about resources taken away... but to what better things then ? What do you want ?
You talk about plenty of ways to do it better, but guess what ? I am pretty sure there's someone out there to tell you : "it's a terrible idea you're having there"
Understand they don't want to make it a raiding (current content) job - it is their wish, the devs wish to do this. I mean it's their game...
You want regular jobs ? You'll get them at Shadowbringers.

Wanting change does not mean start something completely different and take resources away from existing systems. It means do more interesting things with the current systems. This game is already suffering from an extreme sense of playing several different games at once. We do not need even more added to the increasing thin pile.

OK.
What is it then ?
Because I'm warning you : by doing more interesting things with the current systems, you're exposing yourself to the criticism of recycling content...
Or may be you meant something else ?

@Burningskull and Elerus
You guys don't have fc, or friends (or phones)
I can be your friend :3 (but i don't have a phone to give u)

[Shurrikhan]

As I said, it wasn't aimed to be played with current content (raid)... it's capped to lvl 50.
And here again, you talk about resources taken away... but to what better things then ? What do you want ?

I cannot speak for others, but you'll see many of these concerns echoed in others' posts as well.

All that said, you still haven't played BLU yet...
People are making suggestions... on what ? 40 minutes of slides and a video ?
That's why it feels so absurd to me - talking about making something better... when no one has even played it yet...

YoshiP and the devs do respond to players when they can, but here no one is even giving a chance at their idea...

Reason 1: We already have reason to believe that the direction is badly flawed.
Reason 2: Once implemented, designs will not see substantial revision until a year to an expansion later, if ever. If we want to be able to give any meaningful feedback, it has to be now.

[Moogly]

I cannot speak for others, but you'll see many of these concerns echoed in others' posts as well.

Wow !




so many bad ideas in all that though.........
see... it's though huh ?

Reason 1: We already have reason to believe that the direction is badly flawed.
Reason 2: Once implemented, designs will not see substantial revision until a year to an expansion later, if ever. If we want to be able to give any meaningful feedback, it has to be now.

1.It's flawed based on your view. Did you even consider some people were actually hyped at it ? Like people who like playing the solo content part of ffxiv ?
2.It's capped at 50. And they said it will evolve. It feels like playing a live beta, yea, but if so, wouldn't you want the test period to be long enough so as to really take our time to fine tune the job correctly ? Play it and maybe you'll think : oh that part actually works out pretty well, but that part definitely needs to be changed.

You seemed to have somehow missed everything after the first sentence of the post you've quoted. Here, this may reduce the strenuous effort it would otherwise take you to go back a single page and read a post before misconstruing it. If intentional, then at least it may provide a better informed strawman to misdirect.

Yea like all her ideas were super original...
Let's check it out idea by idea :
Dungeons that arn't just pull all the trash and by the numbers repeat same boss fights that you could set your watch too.
No trash mobs ? lol
Or you want mobs you need to CC ? lol, you're going to pack it all anyway
You want labyrinth like dungeons ? Very bad idea, wow tried some and simplified them in the end - it's only for a niche who like exploring - most just want to rush the thing and be done with it
You want random mechs boss fights ? go play wow - some like ffxiv choregrafied combat style and don't want it to change.

8man raids that are not just gloried trials.
Who wants harder content ? everybody raises hands
Who has cleared A12S ? 5 people raise hands
YoshiP has clearly understood who was playing what.
So current content is too ez for you : good.
Guess what : some people actually find the game hard at times.

Think 8man dungeons. More variation in monster abilities and moves. Moving away from a purely expected incoming damage system. These are just the ones off the top of my head. This is working within the same system to make the game more fun and challenging. Not imposing bad caps and horrific grinds.
Yea like all the new mechs, markers, duty action, etc... we get every xpack.

And you call all that original ideas ?

Now I will show what is misdirecting :

Sarcasm aside. I don't see how Blu is "Something completely new."

She's like ignoring the whole rest of the paragraph but w/ever.......

[Fredco191]

Eh. I probably wouldn’t have liked playing it all that much anyway.

Still. I feel bad for people who wanted to main BLU.

[TroySoFab]

Hate and criticism are two different things. These few white knight threads are absurd.

[Moogly]

Hate and criticism are two different things. These few white knight threads are absurd.

Dreams and reality are two different things. These many whine threads are even more absurd.